This is going to result in either the left arming themselves in a way that will give them political power comparable to the right.
Or the courts will set a legal precedent for gun control regulations.
While I’m disgusted by the fact that it’s a targeted act of persecution, this could be the Trump DOJ setting up a long-term win for the left.
Trans folks, get your guns while you can. They might be the difference between freedom or going to RFK’s “wellness” farms. As an autistic who will someday be targeted, I intend to stand on the line of battle with you.
Ahah, the US right finally found someone that they don’t want armed to the teeth.
good luck with appeasing that extremely important anti 2A anti trans demographic. some say it’s the biggest voting block in the world
What part if “shall not be infringed” do these fuckers not understand?
Ah see you’re making a common mistake when reading the law. Republican’s shall not be infringed, Democrats shall be infringed. It’s a common mistake to assume the Republicans will respect others rights, they don’t. They want all the rights for themselves and laws to apply to everyone else.
Shall be absolutely fine with right wing prejudice.
The general concept of social contracts, and law explicitly, apparently.
Hahaha…omg. USA. You’re always good for a laugh. A sad laugh, as there’s always comedy in tragedy and vice versa. But a laugh.
If I’d be lqbtq I’d probably already packing bags for a nice emigration into universal healthcare instead of fascicm and stupidity. Most anywhere else sounds like a nice destination!
welp, that tears it. time to buy my first gun, while I still can. I’m not a big fan of guns but fuck if I’m going to let myself and my community be disarmed by the fascists. I’m not going quietly if they send us to the camps.
If you do and have not used one before please get training in the proper operation of it. Even if its from a book. Practice until you are comfortable with it. Otherwise you may end up shooting yourself or someone you care about by accident. You should know how it works and how to break down and clean it yourself.
oh absolutely. I’ll take a full gun safety class and practice target shooting at the range.
I hate to break it to you, but that’s exactly what they want.
They want more people to buy guns, because that’s more power for those in the industry.
The money from these sales will go towards getting republicans elected.
Only buy used guns.
Liberals have no one to blame but themselves for causing this situation.
In order to get any mental health issue insured, a person needs to get a mental health diagnosis.
Mental health providers almost always diagnose someone with a DSM illness just to get coverage. I have never heard of someone seeing a psychiatrist or therapist and not getting any diagnosis at all.
Liberals also allowed being transgender to be a DSM illness so that transgender people could get medical coverage, which is a dishonest way of conceptualizing gender identity. It is very hard to get insurance to cover anything without that diagnosis.
Liberals have then linked gun purchases to a lack of mental health diagnosis in a misguided effort to strip Americans of the right to bear arms instead of encouraging more people to own guns, encouraged gun training, and encouraged free mental health care that has extreme privacy and no links to any status within society.
As a result, people who want access to guns do not seek mental health care since mental health care is expensive and can limit rights within society. And now those who have naively used mental health services and been labeled in order to get costs covered can be marginalized even more.
This is a disaster that liberals created by attacking 2nd Amendment rights. Instead of giving transgender people mental health diagnoses when they identify as trans, society should be giving these trans people free health insurance, free therapy that is completely private and will never result in a loss of freedom, and extensive and comprehensive free weapons training.
People who support trans people and support inclusion need to stop allowing Republican conservative pieces of shit to claim sole support for the 2nd Amendment. This should be a wake up call to all Trans people that if you can legally get armed, do it now, and stop seeing this Mental Health/Liberal coalition suppressing 2nd Amendment rights as being in anyone’s interest. The second amendment was never meant to be limited and radical activist liberals and conservatives have perverted the intent of the founding fathers with the result that good upstanding trans people may lose their right to carry guns.
I have never heard of someone seeing a psychiatrist or therapist and not getting any diagnosis at all.
I have twice. Two different therapists, after three sessions, told me I was well adjusted and experiencing normal emotional response to stressful events. One told me she saw no reason to schedule additional meetings. The other said I could keep visiting him but he couldn’t bill insurance since there was no diagnosis.
That said, this story is unique among everyone I’ve ever spoken to about it.
congratulations on your excellent adjustment i guess?
Yeah, after all those mass shootings done by transgenders, I understand.
Wait, how many of the long list of mass shootings were done by transgenders? What is the muder rate in percentage by transgenders compared to sisgenders?
what is sisgender?
“Transgenders” is not a word. Please use “transgender people” or something similar.
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It may be outdated, yet still a word. But I’ll do better in the future. I didn’t mean it as offensive, I used the same form for sisgender plural.
How would this stop them? Couldn’t they just use the
same gun show/online loopholes(the many way ways to acquire a gun in America)everyone else does?EDIT: changed the phrasing to more accurately reflect the reality to satisfy people’s dependence on nitpicking details at the cost of understanding the actual point.
I didn’t want to spark a semantic debate, I am genuinely curious how people perceive firearm sales and acquisition in the US.
In my experience of having purchased and sold a few guns over the years, it’s not quite as straightforward as most would believe. The laws vary by state, but in my cases all private sales (even at gun shows) are subject to background checks facilitated by an FFL holder (think gun store or pawn shop) and any applicable waiting periods.
That’s not to say back-alley deals don’t still occur and that unregulated states do a great job of tracking ownership, but the risk that private firearm sales and straw purchases pose are largely mitigated by the fact that most people don’t want to have their name linked to a firearm that was sold to some unsavory individual.
Probably. I think this is more about providing an excuse for jailing any trans who choose to own a firearm, rather than stopping them
Serious question: do you believe that you can purchase a firearm from a commercial dealer online or at a gun show without regulation? Because in most cases, that simply isn’t true.
True, just get someone to gift it to you.
I’ll admit I’m not educated on the subject but it was my understanding that there is a loophole for gun shows.
In a country where there are more guns than people, I don’t believe the barriers to entry for gun ownership for someone who really wants one are substantial. So fundamentally, yes, I do believe this.
The loophole is for private sales. A person can sell their personal firearms to another person without going through a licensed dealer, which means no background check. A gun dealer at a gun show needs to do a background check, but if someone just wants to sell some of their guns at the show, they can just take the cash no questions asked. It applies to GunBroker too, which is like ebay for guns.
I’ve never been to a gun show, but I went to a guitar show as a teenager, looking to buy a bass, and I ended up chatting up some dude carrying his Rickenbacker 4001 around in a case, looking to sell.
We went out to the parking lot and made a private sale. All cash, no tax, no receipt.
Yeah but even with gun broker it depends on the state your buying in. Most cases they will ship the gun to your local FFL, where you then still have to go through all the paperwork to get the gun released.
Don’t private sale happen at gun shows? And don’t you find it a little silly that you are criticizing the detail of HOW this is done while missing the bigger picture of how easy it is to get a gun in America.
Here are me to edit that post to suit you pedantry.
Commercial dealer? No. Some dude in the parking lot named Colton? Absolutely.
I hate my life and I hate this world so much, yes this shithole of a country is one of the worst but others are rapidly sliding to this too. Why couldn’t I have just been born a women and never had to deal with all of this
I’m sorry this is happening. For whatever small comfort it may bring, please be assured that there are many people who don’t hate you for being who and what you are, and we are doing all we can to help.
I’m sorry you have to deal with this.
hugs from a fellow trans woman. <3
this sucks. living with transphobia and dysphoria sucks. I can’t promise it’ll get better. hold your community tight, help them and let them help you. we’re all we’ve got.
This is in no way to diminish your struggle or do any type of oppression ranking, but the GOP hates cis women too, with anti-abortion laws, putting rapists on the supreme court, aims at removing no fault divorce, the desire to make cis women baby factories who can’t vote or work, etc. Cis hyper religious rich white men are the only things they tend to like.
They hate cis women less than they hate trans women, they me dead. At least cis women are allowed to live which is an improvement over what I have to deal with. At least other countries will more easily accept cis women in and allow them to exist. Being a cis woman right now isn’t easy but being a trans woman is goddamn hellish.
Gun restrictions you say? 🤔 Tell me again how the left-wingers came for your guns.
You must not live in CO
Ha, you’re not wrong. I had actually forgotten about that, damn news consciousness is hard now. Yeah dumb lefty laws and they’re actually in effect, but if they declare being trans as a mental illness and bar them from owning any guns, that’s an entirely different beast. That’s a core breach of the 2nd amendment in any interpretation.
watch the Court decide that the history-and-tradition framework justifies restricting guns from seditious groups, citing slave rebellion laws as precedent, while ruling that discriminating against trans people satisfies strict scrutiny. 6-3, with Alito writing for the Majority.
we’re so fucking cooked.
It’s almost like you shouldn’t let it get to the point of them taking your guns. Almost like that’s the whole reason you have them.
In case anyone’s in any doubt about whether there’s any factual basis for this:
Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims
This CNN article states it well:
Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.
That’s it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons’ attention diverted from real problems.
And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):
The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”
Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)
But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.
That’s surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.
From what I understand, people with mental disorders (e.g. taking anti-anxiety meds) can still own guns. The threshold for being disallowed is if the person has been involuntarily institutionalized. So even if you have some kind of mental health crisis and check yourself in, that’s voluntary so it doesn’t prohibit you. It sounds hard to fit gender dysphoria into that framework.
OTOH apparently you’re prohibited if you’ve used pot in the past year, so maybe they’ll expand that to include vaccinations.
The logical direction this is going is that they want to do something bad and Nazi-ish to trans people. I hope it doesn’t go that far, but they’re rounding up other people already so people need to be ready for a fight.
And it won’t stop at trans people like the “normal gays” seem to think everyone on the LGBTQ+ spectrum should be ready to flee/fight ASAP.
The way I look at it is: this isn’t just trans people’s battle. They just happen to have found themselves on the frontline of a war that’s coming for everyone, so we all need to fight this together. If trans people lose rights, those are rights everyone else has lost too, because they’re now a matter of the fascists’ discretion so not really rights at all. If you’re not their chosen victim today you may be tomorrow, and fascists’ victim lists have no end but grow and grow. So it’s for all of us to fight for trans rights today, because the attack on trans people is an attack on all people and we’re in this together.
I would bet though that most made shooters are white though. Better male it so white people can’t have guns…
Well lookie there, I was right
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Well lookie there, I was right
No shit though?
You look at the largest racial population and wonder why it represents the highest raw number figure?
Looking at your source… (and taking population percentages from here… https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/)
White: 54.2% while representing 58.9% of the population
Black: 16.8% while representing 12.6% of the population
Latino: 7.7% while representing 19.1% of the population
Asian: 6.5% while representing 6.1% of the population
Native American: 1.9% while representing 0.7% of the populationThe white population overall under represents per capita mass shootings. You SHOULD expect white people to make up the majority. They ARE the majority.
Lol it’s worse than that.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/
I wonder if there’s a similar split for regular shootings rather than mass shootings.
It makes sense if you don’t think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
It’s all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
USA is a disgusting society.It’s shaping up to declare us all mentally incompetent so that they can institutionalize us. They won’t stop here.
It’s a stepping stone. First they’ll target trans people, than anyone LGBTQIA+, then minorities, then anyone with liberal views, then anyone who looks weird to them. That was the purpose of that EO dipshit signed a few weeks back directing is admin to explore how to institutionalize anyone deemed mentally incompetent. All they have to do is declare “x group” is mentally ill and then they’ll round em all up. It’s fucked.
Some asshole already tried declaring trump derangement syndrome a mental disorder so they could say anyone who dislikes the orange turd has a problem.
Well color me troubled
Especially funny because he proposed that bill mere hours before being charged for soliciting a minor. Once again, all the claims they make about trans people are just projections and admissions of guilt.
What a nightmare, and AFAIK no country will accept trans people from USA as refugees (yet).
I hope you have options.I think Canada does from what they reported of asylum sellers from the US and mostly were trans.
I hope if shit pops off they can send us care packages from the north.
Last I checked (last week? Does time mean anything anymore?) canada doesn’t want poor trans refugees more than any other country. A few people have gotten in, but the vast majority of applicants are being denied asylum.
we’re a good deal, if anyone wants to take us. a lot of us are reeeaaallyy good at science, math and programming. like the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany were pretty great for the countries who took them in as refugees.
There’s only so many network engineers one country can actually make use of.
we’re not all network engineers! there’s also uh… rust and haskell programmers, reverse engineers, hardware engineers, category theorists and topologists, uh… biochemists and physicists probably?
also there’s not like, loads of trans people. that’s why we’re so easy to attack.
Source for that claim? I’m pretty sure Canada is unfortunately still very backwards on granting asylum to people who need it (like most countries in the world are), but I’d love to be wrong about that.
I think you might be right. Couldn’t find the article I read on Lemmy or online.
Only people who have been vaccinated. They aren’t monsters. /s
There was a convicted criminal now representative in my state that has a YouTube video out of her firing an assault weapon. She was the lead sponsor of the bill that banned assault weapons in our state. On top of that because of her past convictions it is illegal for her to be in possession of a firearm.
It only makes sense if you don’t look at the shit show behind the curtains.
So they ARE for gun control?
Only in the sense that they want to be in control of who gets to have guns.
Always have been. They just have to be in control.
