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It’s been this way my entire life
Same. FWIW, I felt totally alone when I was complaining about this stuff decades ago, now even the most moderate people I know will say things about Republicans that I wouldn’t repeat on public forums.
Step 2 will never come.
Honestly, I don’t know if you’re right or not, but I do know that they will make it feel impossible right up until it actually happens, and I just don’t think there’s any better way forward than this (admittedly difficult) one
I agree, but we should all be very well aware that most voters are going to act irrationally and conduct ourselves accordingly. Any logical observer could see that the Dems candidate wasn’t as bad as the Repubs in 2016 and 2024, and look at all the good that did us.
Yeah, fair, but those are all step 2 problems. Like, Fetterman has been infuriatingly awful, but Dr. Oz would have been at least as bad.
Them winning makes it harder for the Chuck Schumer’s of the world to come up with excuses for caving to Republicans. Simply electing anyone with a (D) behind their name isn’t sufficient, but it is a necessary step one of unfucking the country.
The complete destruction of civil rights
We lost Roe under Biden’s watch
a stable state
The Memphis police department got COVID money from Congress that went into the pockets of the officers who beat Tyre Nichols to death on Biden’s watch
diplomatic relations
We torched whatever credibility we had left on human rights issues by arming Israel while they carried out a genocide when Biden was president
the integrity of elections
Republican led states passed tons of voter suppression laws while Biden was in the White House
the actual health if the nation
See my comment about the destruction of civil rights
A wonderful character from a beloved video game franchise who has no relevance to this present conversation that is taking place in a public forum
Failing to name these people and keep track of who carried out the dictator’s orders will make it more difficult to hold them legally accountable once the dictator is removed and we have rules again. It’s far from sufficient, but it is necessary.
The Democratic party has been incredibly ineffective and far too indulgent of free market ideological nonsense for a very long time, but I don’t see any realistic way of preventing Republicans from winning elections that doesn’t involve Democratic candidates in most circumstances
Also, for whatever it’s worth, I think at this point a majority of Democratic lawmakers have come out against what Schumer is asking for here. They need to follow through on their convictions and remove him from their leadership, but either way there is real disagreement within the Democratic party over this.
Besides that, moderate lawmakers like Hickenlooper and Ossoff have come out against Schumer on this, alongside people like Sanders Warren AOC etc. Acting like this is just " bad actors on Lemmy " is nonsense.
A shutdown would almost immediately be felt by many people, as services stop, federal buildings and parks close, and people stop getting paid. These are all things people don’t like, and they are also all things the Trump Admin are trying to do, despite being deeply unpopular
Yeah, so the average voter is going to blame the Trump administration for what they feel because it’s going to feel like a continuation of their previous well publicized efforts
The Trump Admin and the right-wing media would then have carte blanche to blame the Democrats
Democratic lawmakers are not incapable of responding to that bullshit and pointing out how the economy crashing and essential government services being interrupted has been going on for weeks prior to the Republicans failing to keep the government they have total control over open
A government shutdown right now would give their lies plausibility that currently does not exist
No it wouldn’t, that’s only going to work on people who were looking for a reason to vindicate Republicans anyway and who have never and will never support the Democratic party. The average voter who spends five minutes a week tops following the news is going to say “Government not doing stuff? That sounds like Republicans.”
A shutdown would just help them do it faster.
If this were true GOP lawmakers would be pushing for a shutdown themselves.
I think the most honest answer is nobody knows what would happen after a shutdown with this administration because they’ve just been making up federal law as they go this whole time anyway, but really the fact that Schumer and Fetterman want this bill to pass while Sanders Warren and AOC want it to fail should be all you need to know to know.
Yeah, he’s like her dad’s cousin or something like that
The Burning 737-800
The Republicans do not currently have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Dems can’t pass anything, but they absolutely can prevent stuff from passing.
They’re trying to find a way to cave in to Republicans that doesn’t look like total capitulation, don’t fall for it, keep contacting your lawmakers and tell them we need real enforceable mechanisms for holding the Trump administration accountable for lawbreaking and a restoration of funding for essential government agencies included in any budget bill they vote for (or vote to give cloture to)
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Ok, yeah that’s totally fair
If thousands of Panamanians need to die to make people finally give in and support Pete Buttigieg that’s a price they’re willing to pay
I’m sure the political party that rushed the country into a war over an obvious lie and then told soldiers they’d just have to deal with their Humvees not having any armor for a few months while they were being ordering to patrol around the IED capitol of the world will feel just awful about it for as long as they’re on camera
I mean, that would almost certainly be a huge political win for Trump and Republicans if our experience under the last Republican president is anything to go off of