Breakup needs to be as messy as possible. I’m here for it.
How is mtg pushing for the release? Feels like a plant. Gotta get more messy.
You got to be one sick fuck to support a pedophile rapist…
But look how many brown and brown tangent people he’s hurting. Can’t make an omelette without
raping childrencracking some eggs.-Conservatives
it’s that they don’t think it’s important enough to matter on the grand scheme of things.
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If we can push the movement into retrograde we can begin the process of ending this.
A few percent is all we need. And while it will drive up the bile in most of our throats, most progressive policies can be reframed as “America First”. Universal healthcare? America first. Publicly funded education? America first. and on and on.
There is obviously no obligation to open the doors to these cultists, but it’s a discussion to have. Because if we don’t take them in, they’ll be taken by whomever comes around to capture their minds. They’ve been living in a fictional reality for years now, and there is a real chance to reprogram the ones willing to leave over this issue.
When they say America first, they are simply saying “Me first” and you get what we give you and you better thank us for the crumbs or we’ll take those too!
Its a long clip, but its worth the watch, but here is an example of what I’m talking about on the PBD show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAhHSrY75g
There are real faultlines in the MAGA movement. This is just one example but others are Israel/ Bibi, Iran, etc.
I think I’m paraphrasing from a Robin Hobb book, but one of the characters had a line about how if he chose not to use a weapon at his disposal, someone else would come along and use it against him.
Nobody hates a main character like Robin Hobb🤣 Not a reference I expected to see here.
For some reason it was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the original comment. Chade wasn’t exactly a good man, but he was practical I guess.
I’m much more skeptical.
Yes, there are indeed the hardcore qanon magats who don’t care about policy and just care about making sure people storm pizza parlors to murder Hilary Clinton.
But for the vast majority? It is “maverick republicans” all over again. They will get angry and complain about how people are saying things and MIGHT actually disagree with specific policies. But when it comes time to vote? They always pick hatred and vote along party lines.
I do genuinely believe a good chunk of the base will have a problem having to admit that they support people who rape children (as opposed to trying to ignore it). But the moment it is a choice between a rapist and someone who wants Socialism!? Okay, as long as they don’t rape MY child. Too much. I mean, Little Timmy can take one for the team if it means stopping those uppity Negroes.
I think a good part of MAGA are just contrarians: they’re against everything, but especially against anything that seems vaguely mainstream. Trump speaks that language complete with uncomplicated villains and one-sentence solutions. Trump is against his own policies as soon as they’ve taken hold. That’s how he keeps his base - [It] is bad, because of [these] people, but I’ll fix it.
He can’t commandeer Epstein that way, because every possible Epstein-villain group includes Trump. The disciples who can still support him are stuck with the ‘God works through flawed messenger’ narrative, and that doesn’t work on the contrarians. ‘Flawed messenger’ is for the evangelicals who have an actual agenda and see Trump as a tool to work that agenda.
Oh yeah I’m not super hopeful about the core. But it is never the core you need to operate on. It’s the smaller percentage of first movers. It’s also important to not see the movement as a monolith. There are factions and they don’t all believe the same things.
I really need to find the links, but there are clear examples of them is fragmentation happening. There were some clips on the Majority Report of the Vinnie form the OBD podcast basically getting gaslit over these issues (specifically America first). It was legit hilarious but also highlights the point: Trump is obviously covering for Epstein and doing fuck all to support Americans interests.
So if you can amplify and focus that story like, and get it into their feeds from sources they won’t question (it can’t be coming from mainstream media), it can work it’s way in and erode the relationship.
We don’t need to carve off 50% or even 10%. 1-3% is more than plenty to send the movement spiralling, because it’s mostly based on interia. Pushing it into retrograde and showing negative momentum is the death of a popular movement.
they are just making “just in case” noises to get a pass next election.
Israel has universal healthcare for its citizens. Can America get some of that first, before we continue sending them billions to bomb more defenseless children?
Everywhere in the “free world” has free healthcare, except the good ol US of A. Y’all got punked, and let those who punked you convince you universal healthcare is somehow a bad thing. The rest of the world has their shit figured out, clean your room America.
I’ve long said that if the left is going to succeed in this country, we need to abandon leftist vocabulary and translate our policies into Freedom© terms. Saying shit like “proletariat” and “means of production” just triggers an automatic rejection response from the majority of Americans. McCarthyist propaganda was very successful.
These are popular policies, we just have to phrase them with enough 'Murica Patriotism to let people consider them for their merits instead of dismissing them because “that’s socialism, and socialism is bad because reasons”.
It sounds like you’re suggesting that the left should be even more patriotic than the right. That that will win over MAGA defectors. If that’s your strategy, it’s something that has generally failed over the past few decades.
But I think it should fail because it’s basically evil. If you think America is the best when clearly America is not the best in many important categories, like infant mortality or education, then you have to lie to yourself. Or you have to believe in people who are lying to you. Which makes you vulnerable to cult leaders. Which brought us to where we are today. So let’s have less patriotism and more careful consideration of the policies and who they will benefit.
I think this is why the orange turd vanished for a week. wouldn’t doubt if his group made up the rumors of him being dead as a distraction from it as well.
Bullshit
Lemmy user SLAMS recent post. Devastating fallout. GOP in shambles.
You’re right. It’s BS clickbait for engagement. Nothing’s gonna happen.
I’m sure they’ll come around and proudly excuse him of this and any other future degeneracy he chooses to become.
Everyone HOLD ON I need to come make popcorn!
The Epstein files are the distraction at this point. The more we focus on the files (nothing will happen even if Trump’s revealed to be in them), the less we focus on the evil things that are happening right in front of us. The man has to be stopped and the files aren’t going to do it anymore.
I don’t know man, his base has drawn a red line that he may be on the other side of… it’s pathetic that this is all that has ever mattered, but if they finally pull a thread it could all come unraveled.
They can act mad, but when it comes to taking action we will certainly see them do nothing.
I’m conservative and I don’t care about Epstein files. It is just a waste of time. Info would have leaked long ago if heavy hitters were implicated. This is just a time suck.
honestly, i would prefer not to have a child rapist as president. kinda sucks that some people only care about children just enough to impact the rights of adults.
