Not to get too serious, given the topic and the community I’m in, but…
There’s a saying along the lines of “You can’t reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.” And the overwhelming majority of the time, it’s completely true.
Ridiculous as it sounds, there are large numbers of people out there who believe that being gay is a choice. These people legitimately feel like any recognition and representation of homosexuality risks turning people gay.
You can spend all the time you want asking them when they chose to be straight and logically explaining things to them, it almost certainly will not matter.
I can somewhat understand but of course not support that mindset.
Imagine if you held it as an axiom that “being gay is bad for you”. Then it becomes similar to addiction in their eyes, some people are more susceptible, some people are less, but it is the role of community to keep people away from indulging as it is bad for you. The choice that is presumed by them is not one of identity, but one of indulgence, the alternative they have is not “be straight”, but “don’t do gay things”, so they want people to do what normal people call “staying in the closet”.
For them, a gay person is like a crack addict saying “but being a crackhead is not a choice, I was born with it, and this is how I want to live my life”. And they fear to let their children next to this gay person the same way you’d be apprehensive of a crack addict, because they might give your kids crack and make them crack addicts too. And if you tell them that their kids might be gay too is like a crack addict telling you your kids might like crack too; well of course they might, but it’s bad for you so you shouldn’t do it.
Now of course society should stay out of our bedrooms, but that is an axiom held by us, but not by them. And partisan politics of course likes to keep these divisions up so that you vote for the one side, they vote for the other, and nobody questions why can’t we just live our lives in peace.
It’s not true, but the way it plays out makes people think otherwise.
There are tons of first gen atheists who came from deeply fundamentalist families, and often believed everything well into adulthood. To name two examples, Bart Ehrman and Genetically Modified Skeptic.
What won’t happen is changing someone over the course of a single debate. They will come up with all sorts of mental gymnastics right on the spot. However, conversations like that do add up over time. An otherwise inquisitive mind will find a way eventually.
The response is always “having a choice means you are bisexual.”
Yeah, clearly. My similar answer has always been “Huh. It’s not a choice for me… Are you actively choosing not to be gay right now?”
It’s sad, but if you are constantly resisting the urge to be gay… you might be kinda gay. You might be happier if you stop fighting it.
Time to relax my sphincter.
Let the lord in.
There are large numbers of incredibility stupid/ignorant/propagandized people out there who believe that being gay is a choice - FTFY.
It’s not an instant switch like you pick up a sport. I believe everybody is bisexual at first, because the genitals work, no matter what sex, however, your soul gets specialized into a direction. I started having fantasies, I accepted those about girls, and rejected those about boys, based on my social norms that my environment gave me. And I became a happy straight guy. I can’t prove whether a different environment would have made me different, but I also cannot disprove it.
I believe everybody is bisexual at first
Then you’re bisexual. If your “first” instinct was that both genders could be attractive, you’re bisexual. But societal pressure convinced you to only seek out heterosexual relationships.
Also just because you have fantasies at some point, doesn’t mean you will follow the and they won’t “go away” in the future. That’s just your brain trying to figure out the unclean mess that sexual orientation is.
That is true, however, I think the resolution influences the result. I can be wrong, but there isn’t really an experiment where someone tries to convince kids to be gay and see the outcome. It’s just become forbidden to think this amongst the progressives for no reason.
Such an experiment would be highly unethical and of doubtful interest. After all, you already know sexuality develops without influence, is it useful to know if it develops differently under pressure? To do so it requires to possibly ruin people’s live, that’s why it’s not done.
Also, we already have the opposite experience: gays being convinced to be straight. As far as I know, it doesn’t really work and only creates suppressed emotions that ruins their sexuality.
That’s no different from growing up in a straight world. So that’s why it doesn’t have an effect.
No, but they’ve tried the reverse. They’ve tried and tried convincing gay people to be straight and it doesn’t work. That’s not how it works.
If you think you have a choice to be one way or the other, then you do. Because you’re bi.
No I’m not. It’s not about attraction. Biologically it doesn’t matter who stimulates your genitals. Then I found girls attractive, but that came way after I could have an orgasm.
Prove me that it’s not because of the environment.
Please remember, they are not there to convince you of their faith! They are there to be rejected. They sent out 18yos with a up until that point unknown other 18yo person to a far away place, then tell each other them that they should look after each other. So now they effectively spy on each other and know their only “friend” in that situation is expecting them to behave like a good elder. Then they were told that the outside world is rejecting god as it was corrupted by the devil and now they are running around and approaching random houses and bother the people living there, which will obviously mostly reject them.
This is fucking brainwashing.
Look up the BITE model…
- Behavior: imagine living with only 1 person that you are supposed to spent your whole day with and that person spies on you and you know it.
- Information: the mission is supposed to prove that the outside world rejects them
- Thought: you are supposed to focus on the mission and god alone.
- Emotion: fear based indoctrination by being told that the world rejects them and their only support is a member of the organization.
It is fucking cultish
It’s projection. It never made sense to me until I realized it’s all projection. They think gay people are going door to door exactly like they do.
They go door to door saying “Have you found Christianity? I’ve chosen to be Christian and I think it’s a great way of life. I think you should choose to be Christian, I think you should raise your children to be Christian, I think we should have a Christian society.”
So they just assume everyone else is going door to door “Have you found gayness? I’ve chosen to be gay and I think it’s a great way of life. I think you should choose to be gay, I think you should raise your children to be gay, I think we should have a gay society.”
Which to us is as ridiculous as going door to door “Have you found left handedness? I’ve chosen to be left handed and I think it’s a great way of life. I think you should choose to be left handed, I think you should raise your children to be left handed, I think we should have a left handed society.”
…I’m so gonna go door to door with pamphlets on gayness.
can we talk about our lord and saviour prostate orgasming
Is it really so awesome as they claim?
have a pamphlet
“Have you tried gayness” spuds like a good pick up line for pride
Mormons are so funny, I legit feel bad for all the people who have been traumatized by these weirdos, but like these children are called “elders.”
They have all these weird rules where premarital sex is totally not permissible, but they be fucking, and then be like “its not sex with a condom on” or of course soaking. Like straight faced “I’m saving myself for marriage,” and I’m like “we’ve had sex 6 times this week, Genevieve.”
I was at a party in college and this Mormon dude who always did these awkward, overly complicated jive handshakes that felt really violating, was sitting outside upset and depressed holding a half-empty beer. He was like “its all over I’ve sacrificed everything I believe in, for what? So I can drink a beer at a party??” It was one beer he wasn’t even finished with it. Its like relax dude, I’m like 19 and spiraling into alcoholism I think you’ll be okay this one time.
Ive heard so many horror stories, but I’ve only had good and very funny experiences with Mormons. And none of this even gets into the magic underwear or like you get your own planet in the afterlife.
Idk how people believe in this stuff sober
so what about gay religious people? i mean two well groomed men on bikes traveling in unison…
One day I was headed to my car to go somewhere. A zealot intercepted me and wanted to proselytize to me. I told him thank you but no thank you. He was all like “But have you heard about Jesus Christ?” I said that I was raised a Christian and knew all about it, but I reject it. He still was trying to argue with me so I finally just said “Have a nice day” and walked away as he was still trying to reconvert me. Some of them simply can’t believe you know what they are about but don’t buy into it.
True, I’ve never had a gay guy wake me up too damned early on a Saturday to talk about sucking dick. But damn Christian’s keep asking me if I found Jesus. Damn it fuckers just admit you lost at hide n seek already!
I’ve never had a gay guy wake me up too damned early on a Saturday to talk about sucking dick.
Skill issue
Tbf I’ve never had that happen either.
It’s Saturday night, not “too damn early on a saturday.”
Yeah I think that’s a perfectly appropriate time. Any time before noon on a weekend is just too early man.
Although if you want someone to talk your ear off about the church of cocks… Never in the morning though, early birds are the work of the devil. Or something like that. Beds are comfy.
We have by-weekly lunch meet-ups at Liz’s Diner over on main too.
Religious people are objectively the worst.
The Mormons claim to want to help with anything right? What if I asked them to help teach tolerance and empathy to the maga?
Also religious people:
Trying to force public schools to post the ten commandments.
Easy answer. Just push selling whatever you want on them. Hell make up stembolts.
Self-sealing I hope?
Those come at a premium.
It’s worth it though. And what about some delicious yamok sauce?
Sithrak is the only true god.
P.S. Thanks for linking to Oglaf, it’s been way too long and I had forgotten about it.
Also religion: we gave birth to you so you’re automatically sign up to our religion.
Also also religion: you’re free to convert into our religion, but you’re not allowed to leave.
Also also also religion: since you’ve converted into our religion, you are mandatory to ditch your name and use our system.
Also also also also religion: send religion police to patrol the street for religious compliance
They’d defend themselves by saying you can just turn them away, while completely ignoring that they can choose to not consume media with queer people in it. And when they whine that the problem is that it’s in too much stuff now and they can’t avoid it, they’re once again trying to control what’s in media and they’ve gone full circle.
I can’t see Mormons without thinking of Orgazmo. For a time, it was free on YouTube as well.
The book of Mormon is even better. Legitimately had to force myself to breathe through the laughter.
I did find a cam recording on YouTube. Haven’t watched it yet because I don’t want to spoil my appetite. (I think there’s a Sydney performance in 2026. Will wait for that)
Weather update. Its actually playing in 2025 in Sydney, so I can go right now, but they are selling the tickets in pairs* and its close to 300 AUD for the mediocre seats. Is that normal for Broadway tickets?
*Turns out the hardest part will be finding someone to go with…
Not a bad call.
Orgazmo sounds like a Hentai villain
Ah, the soul soliciting pigfuckers are at the door.
