The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can’t really disturb me anymore…
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all…
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target’s family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
Where’s Daddy? wtf
How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?
I mean it hadn’t happened before so it is understandable
Hey don’t worry about Mossad and the USA, just close your curtains tonight in the house you’ve lived in for 40 years. You’ll be fine.
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It’s probably a lot more than 0.
or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.
Proof?
I don’t think there’s proof yet, but Isreal has shown zero qualms about killing innocent civilians.
They simply define who is innocent or a civilian. Or human. It’s quite clever.
The pager attack was pretty targeted. Very low percentage of civilians killed (unlike the percentages of Hezbollah attacks on Israel).
Just FYI, that attack injured more than 100 people per person targeted and led to 10 people per person targeted to lose their eyes. That seems very untargeted to me.
Not trying to be that guy I swear, have you got a source? That number seems pretty high, even for Israel.
Going by this very targeted attack video, I find that claim difficult to believe.
The innocents in question are human shields being used by Hamas to protect their objectives. The suffering of those humans and children should have resulted in a massive operation to dismantle Hamas’ financial teeth. Instead hamas leaders still take all humanitarian aid and repurpose them against Israel. Qatar and Israel are the real perpetrators of this violence.
One of the target’s two children died in the pager attacks. civilian casualties & injuries are not always human shields. In the case of pager attacks for instance none actually was since the attack was unexpected.
Yeah but Israel is also known to use Palestinian civilians as human shields, such as when crossing a suspected minefield.
No, the innocents in this case would be anyone who lived with or near the target, so their family and neighbors. It’s not like they sent in snipers to take out the one target, they sent bombs, and bombs have collateral damage.
I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
This isn’t how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.
Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.
Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.
Terrorism is internationally recognized as when a group or organization unaffiliated with a recognized government uses violence to achieve a political goal. “Terrorist state” is a contradiction in terms.
Netanyahu is leading a genocide and starting wars, all to avoid the regular democratic and legal process of Israel. Why are you carrying water for him?
Isreal is a terrorist state, the US is a terrorist state. Assasinating people or blowing them up on their way to work is terror. Blowing up pagers in homes while a child is bring it to daddy is terrorism.
There’s a rules-based international order. We make the rules, and guess who gives the orders.
You mean like when Gerald Bull was killed? Surely an accident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
Which is why I am sitting in disbelief that Iran could be so monumentally stupid.
There is no “international authority”. It’s all big stick politics out there. It’s like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The “punishments” when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The “legal” process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you’re cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It’s even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That’s not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It’s a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it’s broken.
I bet this guy knows how to play Mario Kart.
It’s like that saying goes: “The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge.”
Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.
Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!
Literally rip BOZO
What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just…killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!
Why would anyone do this? Why wouldn’t the normal legal process supported by all the rest of the rich bozos stop the one Uber rich psycho.
Why would anyone not notice a million terminators being made before they were unleashed?
because the ultra wealthy can’t cook, can’t produce the stuff needed to cook, can’t build super cars or private jets or build mansions, they can’t make the latest high tech gadgets, they can’t produce the most stylish of clothes or expensive watches. That’s why they keep us around. They need us plebs to make them stuff and produce their wealth to purchase the shit we make.
This why they are so obsessed with AI. When AI can do whatever they want, the rest of us will be exterminated like pests.
Maybe just save yourself the trouble and get a heads up you know
I think wage slaves will be cheaper than robots for a while longer
Who would’ve guessed skynet was purposefully created by the wealthy back when T2 came out amongst us general public?
I was like, “oh that’s so eerie” as a youngster. The truth behind this path has, unfortunately, been both more embarrassing and savage.
At least there’s no way they won’t turn AI against each other and extinction themselves in the process.
Are you just like that by default or are you just missing your daily pills?
Maybe stop projecting your inner traumas towards the world, and get help. Can’t be possible to live a healthy life with that mindset
The rich are only rich because the money they possess can be exchanged directly or indirectly for people’s labour. Without it, the money is valueless and the rich cease to be. It’s also one reason why labour strikes are so effective and the rich have had to create militias to prevent them.
You miss the point. If they get AI to the point where it can replicate our work “well enough”, it won’t need to even be intelligent or invent new things.
They won’t need to care about money, if they get to the point where AI produces and maintains everything for them.
I understand completely what you’re saying and I have considered it. I just don’t believe we’ll ever get to the point where a fully automated system produces all necessary goods for high standard of living without human labour required. Worse, even if we get to the point where significantly less labour is required, history informs us that the unemployed would very likely revolt and take power through violence. Especially because we won’t be able to go from the status quo to a state where we neutralize revolting people automatically in a short enough time frame for people to be caught by surprise and unable to revolt. Not to mention that a part of such a revolt would likely include the stoppage of work by people who work on, maintain and operate the automation. I think the most likely scenario as we go down this path would be the formation of militant labour unions that take power back from the rich and steer automation into producing for the majority. Whether we go away from capitalism through this change or reshape it, I don’t have a guess.
The ratio of poor to ultra wealthy is far greater than a million to one. Other than that, the only practical reason they have for not doing it is that they still need human labor for most of what they do. That isn’t going to change anytime soon, despite AI. However, they don’t need their labor force to be free or happy, which is why the US is on the cusp of a fascist takeover.
The rule of law has largely stopped mattering to the ultra wealthy. It may occasionally inconvenience them, but they know it will never affect them in any personal way.
Not all of the ultra wealthy are socipaths. Unfortunately, terminal-stage capitalism does a surprisingly good job of selecting for sociopathy at the very top of the hierarchy. Becoming that rich requires both a strong belief that you deserve it and a disregard for how acquiring it harms others.
One weird thing I noticed is the children inheriting the welth also tend to be psycho. Perhaps having everything you need destroys empathy?
Yeah that’s why collectivists worldwide always strive to think for you what you need, and taking the standard of living to the lowest possible level, that’s way no one can have have what they need, except obviously the ones in power, ideologically speaking
I would never allow it. Experimenting with gadget combos is how I live
Why would they do that? Then there’d be noone to work the mines…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
the rate at which i’ve been referencing slaughterbots has steadily been increasing…
Pretty much this and the answer is nothing. This is the world we have created where people are murdered just because. We are the ultimate terrorist.
Then who would they lord over and whose hard work would they make their money off of, on the other hand using these threats to bring back slavery feels like the scarier future to me
We in the USA are telling farmers that they won’t deport their labor if they are accountable to them. They can very easily have those who defect or resist in any way deported to concentration camps. They can also be imprisoned for trying to slip over the border the other way.
They can have a large zoo
the most dangerous profession in the world has gotta be iranian nuclear scientist.
They are targeting anyone with a degree in nuclear physics. Someone posted that his colleague was killed and they had nothing to do with the enrichment program. It’s murder.
Who is someone? What is the proof of the murder?
I need names and addresses! For… Reasons unrelated to any lethal plans
Usually you need to provide sources for your claims, that’s a normal thing that people will ask for, you know.
Sir we all know that if you just want to post fake bullshit you can just say so, it’s not illegal
I didn’t post anything besides a snarky comment below yours
Logging, fishing, hunters, steel, mining and roofing workers are the most high risk professions in all the planet
About 92% of the fatalities are men, about 2 men die per hour just by working on the more dangerous professions in the whole world
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That, or perhaps high ranking Iranian general.
I dunno, I’m sticking with crab fishing in the Arctic
- what a stupid fucking name
- why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
- why does no one ask question 2
- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
Why not?
Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn’t agree with collectivist ideology.
Why would it be different for them?
Because lemmings that try doing it would be pulled in front of a judge if they went public about it afterwards. It would a) just be a single person that would b) face consequences for that action.
Israel on the other hand is a state level actor killing civilians in another jurisdiction. I know it’s just another war crime between many others at this point, but it bears noticing just how little the consequences have become
Are they in the room with us right now?
Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That’s the ones that get reported.
I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy
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Because you don’t wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s
Why does anyone get to have nuclear weapons?
Because once you have them, who’s going to try to take them away?
In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.
A huge mistake, apparently
Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it’s the only safeguard against attack.
Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There’s no morals between countries…unless enforced by nukes.
This is why I’m pro nuclear armament of all countries.
This is the dumbest possible position because it maximizes the chance that they are used. There is no reason to think mad working was likely amongst a few actors and it almost failed repeatedly. There is even less reason to suppose it scales.
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yeah but if Israel gets them the countries they keep bombing should also get to have them. the country that jerks off to 2A somehow doesn’t think so.
Iran is a terrorist state run by lunatics. Them and Israel having them is even worse than Israel having them.
USA is at the core of the Western-Imperialist hedgemony & Israel, Japan & Pakistan gets to have them because they are Pro-Western imperialism
See Budapest Memorandum
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. The USA and Israel are best buddies and if the USA says their buddy can have a nuclear arsenal who is going to stand up and tell them otherwise?
Yet they didn’t know about preparation for the October 7th attack?
Tinfoil hat mode: they let it happen to have a reason to raze Gaza to the ground.
(Sorry, that’s my “Bush did 9/11” moment)
No tinfoil needed, has it not been confirmed that Netanyahu was aware of the attacks and let them happen?
I don’t believe that has been confirmed, but I could be wrong.
Edit: I stand corrected.
Looked it up because I wanted to be sure…
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
Here’s Netanyahu passing the buck:
At the very least, the information was out there and either he knew it and allowed it to happen (maybe wasn’t aware it would be that successful), or was grossly incompetent and derelict in his duties.
So Netanyahu let close to 1200 Israelis die of which 736 were civilians? Are any Israelis condemning him for that?
Yes. There are a lot of protests against him. It’s just not enough.
There is also the Hannibal directive that was used against Civilians that die.
Israel killed a non disclosed number of its own Civilians to prevent them being taken hostage. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430
Thank you. The depths of that man’s evil never cease to amaze me.
The safest strategy with people like him is to assume there is no floor, and that for everyone else’s safety, he should be humanely put down on that floor next to his morality.
And I mean put down in the sense we talk about our aged pets, and I know it’s truly better than he deserves.
It’s confirmed. As is Israel funding Hamas.
Few things say “you need a nuke, you need it right now” like foreign states killing your scientists, in their beds in the dead of night
One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.
The other is the world’s biggest bully and largest exporter of “freedom”, as seen in Lybia, Iraq and even Iran back in the 1950s
Lol, that sounds fake.
i’m sure everything will be fine.
Don’t check the news.
I don’t agree with Israel at all. But Iran is a theocratic ethnostate as well. One that has pretty loudly proclaimed that the day they have nuclear weapons is the day before they use one on Israel. There’s nobody out there who’s in a morally high position.
No Iran definitely has the moral high ground, by a fair margin. Israel has been committing a genocide, as well as running a full on apartheid ethnostate, if you didn’t know. But even if we ignore that, the IAEA as wel as the American intelligence community (think NSA, CIA and so on) have both assessed, as recently as a week ago, that Iran has not attempted to build nuclear weapons since 2003. Iran is being bombed, illegally, based on a lie. That’s high ground enough for me.
They can stop enrichment of uranium any time it’s not even the only choice for nuclear power and they long surpassed the target they need to generate power. They ARE trying for nukes just aren’t close due to first negotiations then sabatogue and murders.
Theocracy maybe, but I definitely wouldn’t consider Iran an ethnostate
Theocracy yes, almost as badly as the zionists. Ethnostate no. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, hazbarite.
When was the last time Iran invaded land to settle it with its own people?
I think their last offensive war was tge 1700s? Since then it appears they have been mostly playing the soft power war by proxy game. While their main antagonists actively invade, infiltrate and kill them.
I can’t personnally get over the facts that invaders overthrew their democracy because of fucking oil.
The perpetrators should nuke themselves out of shane. Their intelligence agents should auto-trotsky themselves.
Yes, because iran is as bad in one single way as the zionists, they’re also as bad in all the other ways.
Like how im a really shitty painter, so therefore im exactly as bad as hitler in everything.
Im glad you understood precisely what i was saying there. Really helps my faith in humanity.
Like how im a really shitty painter, so therefore im exactly as bad as hitler in everything.
If you say so.
If I learned anything from the 2024 election it’s that we must unequivocally support the lesser evil. Since Israel attacked first (and is actively committing genocide), that means Iran is the lesser evil and therefore they are perfect and not supporting them means you support genocide. /s
This is state sanctioned mass murder. This is state terror attacks across a national border. This is so unethical and obviously illegal, I don’t know what else to say about it.
We need to distance ourselves from Israel. We need to stop giving them weapons. Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them, I am partially responsible, and this is not “ok”. I do not want to be doing this, I never wanted this…
Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
Yeah, that’s cool.
Well I guess my opinion is that it’s essentially never “legitimate” to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
In this case, I’m sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn’t crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
If that’s your metric, then I think Israel meets it. Iran has sponsored and directed non-state actors in Israel. These include both Hamas and Hezbollah. Additionally, Houthi militants have targeted Israeli civilian shipping.
Right now, the taxes I pay go partially to arming them,
And we are giving millions in contracts to Palantir to help them create these nightmare AI projects with zero oversight.
Alex Karp’s biography makes it pretty clear he’s trying to spin this shit as every American’s patriotic duty to support, and no different than the Manhattan project (as if that’s something great to aspire to in the first fucking place) during WWII.
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Man up
Fuck off. You can take that shit elsewhere. Grow a conscience.
state terror
Yeah, the ‘protocols of the elders of zion’ larpers dont do anything else
need to stop
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
We let this get too far out of hand. The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
I think it’s a few years late for purely negative action to be useful here.
I actually disagree with that. If we end the flow of weapons and funding to Israel, we’d see a totally different behavior from Israel within the week.
The question is: glass some LARPers, or world war 3? If the former is not on the table, the latter is inevitable.
And this part, you’re saying nuke them or else WW3? That rhetoric is as bad as theirs! If you can’t think of any other solutions, then please, don’t be part of the solution.
I hope your right, but i don’t know if they know how to stop,
Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.
Has Israel officially declared war on Iran? Apart from that, why aren’t they protected by the Geneva convention?
An official declaration of war is not required. These nuclear scientists are not protected by the Geneva convention because Iranian nuclear infrastructure, including persons, are military targets. The purpose is to destroy Iran’s nuclear capacity and that’s a purposeful military objective.
When they’re not european.
It got more legal a few years ago, I think. Not explicitly “made legal”, but the legal foundations have been eroded. I.e. if you can expect to get away with something it is legal in a very real sense.
It’s always been practically legal for empires like the US, Russia, China to commit any atrocities in weak countries, More and more countries are seeing how much they can get away with.
Netanyahu tested the limits over and over and saw there were really quite few legal limits. With Gaza, he saw the limits didn’t actually exist at all.
I’m surprised there aren’t more high level assassinations.
I’m surprised they’re publicly announcing this one.
I think it’s probably pretty hard to keep simultaneously assassinating 10 targets and their families under wraps, so they’re trying to get ahead of accusations by pretending it’s a show of military strength instead of horrifying skynet murder.
It looks especially bad when they’re pointing the finger at Iran for fucking cluster bombs.
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
The argument being cluster bombs are a dirty move, but using simultaneous AI powered assassin drones to strike while people are sleeping makes you the good guys?
I mean… That is how this works. Cluster bombs are bad because they’re less precise and cause more collateral damage. So weapons that target individuals with high precision are better
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
No, they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
That’s why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.
they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
No matter where you are on the scale, you could always get better (just killing the intended target) and worse (low yield nuke somewhere near the building.)
The saddest part is when they calculate that the collateral damage is “beneficial” to their cause. That’s the kind of calculation that tends to become more and more inaccurate over the long term.
But that’s it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It’s basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target
I mean, fuck palantir and I really don’t like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You’re hitting just what you mean to hit
And that’s what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you’re not supposed to attack noncombatants
Let’s not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification…
Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they’re obviously not going to start acting in good faith now
They are more precise than cluster bombs.
I have mixed feelings - Gaza clearly shows a “worse way” to do warfare, but that doesn’t move the needle on how bad it is to say: “Welp, there’s a 90% chance that somewhere in this building is somebody associated with a group that we don’t like, so take it down tonight while everyone is home sleeping.”
The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.
Saying it’s bad is a step better than saying nothing, which is a step better than parroting the speeches provided by Great Leader’s party promoters.
It isn’t meaningless.
It is not enough in itself and being like “well i said it, now all is done from my side” is problematic.
Still it is important to call it out as a mean to pressure those with direct power to enact consequences to do so.
Since you’re just larping your fav book when you do it
Vibe warfare sounds like a terrible idea
But oh so lucrative, and with a catchy phrase…
I see moneybags in this idea, wonder who will first make it a reality…
