The streaming star on how to reject political violence while staying honest about Kirk’s rhetoric.

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    6 hours ago

    Hassan is just outrage farm and nothing else. He has been covering Israel Gaza for years, but only learned about the meaning of the Western Wall like last week. Vapid, insipid aimless people making bank off of Gaza genocide

    Edit: For as much of a vile person Kirk was, at least he knew how to organize and mobilize people politically with success. The most Hasan can seem to do is read Twitter headlines from the comfort of his Beverly Hills mansion lol. It’s the equivalent of Kony 2012, just repackaged for genz.

    Don’t believe me? Go watch his stream. Go for it.

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      how does knowing “the meaning of the western wall” at all supposed to inform one’s stance on Israel’s atrocities on Palestine?

      this is like saying a journalist has been covering NASA for years but they still don’t know which zodiac signs are in the water group.

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        Not at all. He professses to be an expert on me issues and the conflict in Israel. He’s been covering it for years. You’d better damn well know at least the fundamentals of the GODDAMN region you’re covering holy shit.

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          7 hours ago

          again you failed to demonstrate how it is at all relevant. literally the same relevance as my analogy.

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            No, he did. If I claim to be a computer programmer with 20 years of experience, but dont know the basics of any computer language, that would be an important detail in discrediting me and my “expertise” on the topic. Right? So if someone is saying they are an expert on Israel and Gaza(ie, “listen to me!”) then pointing out that they dont know basic things about the topics is very important. Because the last thing the world needs, is more listening to fucking grifters that only feed into collective outrage.

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              your analogy is not correct. this is like claiming to be a computer programmer with 20 years of experience but not knowing how the computers in star trek work. it’s just bullshit that has no bearing on your opinions on programming.

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            7 hours ago

            Really? One of the keystone elements in the biggest geopolitical conflicts in the middle east? One of the biggest claims the zionists use as justification for right to return? The most sacred site in the Jewish faith?

            Really?

            Wikipedia is free, you know?

            The Western Wall

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              7 hours ago

              i don’t remember saying i don’t know what the fucking wall is. i said how is it fucking relevant to forming a fucking opinion on the fucking genocide.

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                7 hours ago

                I don’t know man… Why does having any historical context help to discuss the biggest conflict in middle east? Are you under the impression the genocide started on Oct 7?

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                  what are you even talking about? “the meaning of the western wall” has no bearing on the reality of the genocide, not the morality of it. this is not a religious project. it’s a settler colonial project. you don’t even need to know what religion they are part of, let alone what some fucking magic wall is supposed to “mean”. here’s what it means: nothing. none of this shit is for or because of the wall.

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                    You can downplay it all you want, which is weird, but it is a central element to the Jewish claim for the right to return. You know, the reason the Zionists are there in the first place. But hey, listen, if you like superficial slop rage farming content you do you. Hey, btw did you know genocide bad? Kony 2012!

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      Inaccurate simplification of Hassan. So much so that I assume you are just elaborately saying, “Nothing to see here folks. Go about your business.”

      Your tactics are in line with those of right wing trolls. Call into question something you want silenced with ad hominem attacks, obscure references, with just a glint of truth buried in there to make anyone arguing with you get sucked into a lengthy complicated debate. Yes, modern popular media feeds off of outrage and Hassan is part of it. That’s something I could say about virtually every popular person on the internet. It’s doesn’t mean that none of them have ever said anything relevant, accurate, or otherwise worth listening to.

      Crawl back into whatever hole you came from you disingenuous troll.

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        He streams on twitch spewing hate and farming intellectual elite club by heavy moderation.

        He fucking farms you for money.

        Crawl back into whatever hole you came from you disingenuous troll.

        Every single defense is this. Name calling and getting offended for pointing out of what Hassan is.

        A narcissist farming idiots. Just like Tate. Like Jones. Like Shapiro.

        It is the same fucking play. Different political spectrum.

        Get. Fucking. Real.

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          6 hours ago

          It’s the equivalent of Kony 2012. People like the aesthetic of caring about the genocide while doing the least possible to stop the suffering.

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          15 hours ago

          If you say so. I’m not a fan, but he’s been a decent debater and representative of the left in the few times I’ve heard him speak. I find anyone dismissing him wholesale to be disingenuous. He’s speaks well, makes good points, and makes right-wing idiots look like idiots. I appreciate that.

          Maybe you are like the other guy and just want him to cheerlead the Democratic Party blindly and follow their talking point? Or are you just upset because he seems to be pretty hard on Israel?

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            He is not left. He is not right.

            He is not a decent debater. He gishgallops and gaslights. Just like Shapiros. Kirks. Tates.

            He does not give a fuck. He is making money. And shoving himself into the politics.

            Get.

            Real.

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        Fucking bullshit. Hassan has a special particular type of rage bait farming. I’ve been watching his content on and off for years. It’s unfortunate that he has such a large following because he’s a disingenuous piece of shit. Also, it’s fun and easy do just discount any criticism of Hassan as “trolling”- what a cowardly copout of an answer. It’s prefertly fine to use Ad-hominem attacks on people who negate or downplay sexual abuse or say constant vitriol on his stream. I don’t care how many charity streams he did. He’s a slop streamer (just last week he doxxed several people).

        It’s weird how his fan boys enjoy this grotesque parasocial relationship with him and come to his constant defense whenever the slightest criticism is levied of our idol. Almost like another group of abhorrent individuals I see online…

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          11 hours ago

          Downplaying sexual abuse?

          You mean saying that if rapes occurred on Oct 7th that doesn’t excuse Israel murdering 200,000 civilians? That “downplaying”?

          But he’s right. So, where does that leave you?

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            8 hours ago

            Haha. Show the full context. No, I mean first denying then laughing at victims of sa, then sliding like a vermin to the “we’ll it doesn’t excuse” talking point. Yea sure man. This the brilliant political pundit of twitch politics. Barf.

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          20 hours ago

          I’m not a Hassan fanboy, or even a fan really, and I’m not having fun. You simply didn’t put any effort into your accusations. They still sound like the typical troll behavior used to silence or muddle people you don’t agree with. Try to offend, barely substantiate, if at all, your accusations and assertion, and try to engage without putting any effort into it. Be as disingenuous as possible but bait responses and keep interlocutor lost in the weeds of your half assed arguments.

          So I assume you are a troll.

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            19 hours ago

            What a joke. What am I even to say to that? Just because I didn’t get into specifics off the bat doesn’t mean we can’t bring receipts. If you want, ask. But don’t be no disgustingly superficial in your discourse. I’m exhausted hearing about this guy.

            I watched one week of Hassan

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              8 hours ago

              You can’t even spell his name right. You should try to work on becoming literate before inserting yourself into politics you know nothing about.

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                Thanks for the that brilliant and cogent response. I love that that’s the best you got. “you CanT SpelL goOd”… Fuck. At least I know what the Western Wall is or how to find Israel on a map lol

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                  If you and your favorite internet personality can’t “do the research” to spell a name correctly, you should expect the effort directed toward understanding the actual issues to be equally as low. Your replies thus far have proven your lack of comprehension.

                  Maybe this sort of thing just isn’t for you.

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                    Get back to me when Hasan accomplishes something. Anything.

                    As much of a vile person Kirk was, at least he knew how to mobilize people and be politically effective.

                    Don’t act like Hasan is some supreme bastion of intellectual acumen. He spends 99% of his stream reading Twitter headlines. Don’t take my word for it. Go watch it for yourself

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              19 hours ago

              Hassan is just outrage farm and nothing else.

              I don’t need justification for your glint of truth. I need justification that nothing in the linked interview of Hassan is worth reading or listening to because he’s nothing more than an outrage farm.

              I actually listened to the interview. He said several things that so few people in mainstream media are willing to say, and he criticized mainstream media for not saying those things.

              Kirk advocated for gross positions. He literally stated that empathy was invented by the left. In response to the shooting, right wing politicians and pundits immediately called for retribution against the left just like they did when the democratic lawmaker was assassinated, and say nothing when it turns out it wasn’t a leftists killer. Trump never bothered did any honor the victim of that killing, but they lower flags this weekend for Kirk and don’t mention the school shooting that happened literally one hour later or the 45 prior shootings in 2025. They praised Kirk for valuing debate and free speech, but are now firing people and refusing to let in travelers if they posted negative opinions of Kirk. Rage bait, or reasonable things to talk about?

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                18 hours ago

                Yes. I’m familiar with the horrible human that is Kirk. Nothing of value was lost. He was committed to punching down everyone that wasn’t white or Christian. But one thing he was exceptionally good at is organizing.

                See, the difference between Kirk and Hassan is that Kirk was so successful at rallying right wing youth that they showed up in droves to the polls, especially in this election. We gotta appreciate the ability to mobilize so effectively.

                The only thing Hassan seems capable of is shitting on EVERYONE. Because Hassan is not solutions oriented. He is not particularly motivated at building a political movement or accomplishing anything apart from a charity drive once in a while. That’s it. He spends 80% of his stream chastising democrats. Then rallying his base day after day about Gaza but not looking towards any meaningful prescriptions. Just the other week he streamed an interview of a man who lost his son in the Nova music festival. Despite losing his child this man was calling for a ceasefire. He wasn’t a settler. He wasn’t IDF. He wants peace. The best we can get out of Hassan? He calls him Nazi scum.

                I could go on about the ineffective and meaningless content that is Hassan, but at the end of the day, it’s just superficial. And I think that’s the part that bothers me the most. He has such a massive platform and all he can do is read Twitter headlines and rage bait seven days a week. For what?

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                  The only thing Hassan seems capable of is shitting on EVERYONE. … He spends 80% of his stream chastising democrats.

                  Ah, there it is. So you want someone on the left (the actual left) to pretend like the majority of the Democratic party and it’s leadership isn’t ineffective and feckless. You’d rather blame the left for pointing it out and call their criticism worthless rage bait.

                  He has such a massive platform and all he can do is read Twitter headlines and rage bait seven days a week. For what?

                  Here we go again. The dude streams for how many hours a day, how many dayss a week, and you expect him to deliver high quality content the entire time… to modern Internet audiences…?

                  Like I said, I’m not a fan. I’ve seen a few interviews and debates he participated in. A few referenced clips of note. I remember the clips had a lot of bullshit. Inside jokes with chat, immature shit, or references to things only constantly online people would get, at least I assume. I’m aware enough to know modern shock humor and genuinely offensive comments are separated by a fine line within internet culture.

                  Just the other week he streamed an interview of a man who lost his son in the Nova music festival. Despite losing his child this man was calling for a ceasefire. He wasn’t a settler. He wasn’t IDF. He wants peace. The best we can get out of Hassan? He calls him Nazi scum.

                  Ok. He watched and interview with this person? I have no context so I can’t really comment beyond the polls coming out of Israel disturb and scare the shit out of me. Just because you are a victim of a tragedy, and aren’t a member of groups openly commiting crimes against humanity in Israel, you aren’t immediately a good person. Supporting Bibi at this point is enough to make you a pretty horrible human being.

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                    Engage with what I wrote instead of strawmans. I’m aware of the polls coming out of Israel. But here was one individual not aligned with that poll. So you’re point is moot.

                    I don’t want him to do anything for the democratic party. That’s not what I said. I compared effectiveness. One (Kirk) dsepite being a vile person, accomplished something. Hassan, despite being vile and narcissistic, can’t seem to do much but read Twitter headlines all day.

                    Were not having a conversation because you seem incapable of engaging with my points.

                    Go watch his stream. In ten years, it will be the same garbage in garbage out, and nothing will be gained or accomplished.