The only thing Hassan seems capable of is shitting on EVERYONE.
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He spends 80% of his stream chastising democrats.
Ah, there it is. So you want someone on the left (the actual left) to pretend like the majority of the Democratic party and it’s leadership isn’t ineffective and feckless. You’d rather blame the left for pointing it out and call their criticism worthless rage bait.
He has such a massive platform and all he can do is read Twitter headlines and rage bait seven days a week. For what?
Here we go again. The dude streams for how many hours a day, how many dayss a week, and you expect him to deliver high quality content the entire time… to modern Internet audiences…?
Like I said, I’m not a fan. I’ve seen a few interviews and debates he participated in. A few referenced clips of note. I remember the clips had a lot of bullshit. Inside jokes with chat, immature shit, or references to things only constantly online people would get, at least I assume. I’m aware enough to know modern shock humor and genuinely offensive comments are separated by a fine line within internet culture.
Just the other week he streamed an interview of a man who lost his son in the Nova music festival. Despite losing his child this man was calling for a ceasefire. He wasn’t a settler. He wasn’t IDF. He wants peace. The best we can get out of Hassan? He calls him Nazi scum.
Ok. He watched and interview with this person? I have no context so I can’t really comment beyond the polls coming out of Israel disturb and scare the shit out of me. Just because you are a victim of a tragedy, and aren’t a member of groups openly commiting crimes against humanity in Israel, you aren’t immediately a good person. Supporting Bibi at this point is enough to make you a pretty horrible human being.
Engage with what I wrote instead of strawmans. I’m aware of the polls coming out of Israel. But here was one individual not aligned with that poll. So you’re point is moot.
I don’t want him to do anything for the democratic party. That’s not what I said. I compared effectiveness. One (Kirk) dsepite being a vile person, accomplished something. Hassan, despite being vile and narcissistic, can’t seem to do much but read Twitter headlines all day.
Were not having a conversation because you seem incapable of engaging with my points.
Go watch his stream. In ten years, it will be the same garbage in garbage out, and nothing will be gained or accomplished.
You made a claim. This is the problem with engaging with comments like yours. I’d have to hunt down whatever you are talking about and waste how much time watching it? Then I might have to do more researching in order to just verify that it happened the way you claim, or the way some summary video portrayed it, and that you yourself did enough research on the guy.
Fucking give me something other than assertions about his personality and motivations, or suggest I would agree if I make watching his stream a full time job.
I don’t want him to do anything for the democratic party. That’s not what I said. I compared effectiveness. One (Kirk) dsepite being a vile person, accomplished something. Hassan, despite being vile and narcissistic, can’t seem to do much but read Twitter headlines all day.
Did you check to make sure your results were statistically significant or was it just vibes and who won the last election? Effectiveness at what? More importantly how the fuck does this support dismissing what was said in this interview? You know, the comment that I originally responded to?
Were not having a conversation because you seem incapable of engaging with my points…
Go watch his stream
Alright, I checked. He streams ~7 hours a day, ~7 days a week. No thanks. You don’t get to assign me that kind bullshit work in order to justify my opinion that your opinion isn’t justified. You gave me one link to an hour long summary of one dude allegedly watching Hassan for a week (which I doubt they actually did ~49 hours of watching for). This was to support your claim that he didn’t know the importance of a location within Israel and felt that it was a point of such extreme ignorance that it invalidated any of Hassan’s comments, ever, on the Israel - Palestine conflict, therefore he’s a rage baiting narcissist who’s accomplished nothing?
Were not having a conversation
We’re not. You’re making assertions and I’m telling you why assertions aren’t evidence. Then you tell me to go find support for your assertions within an extraordinariky large body of work. I feel like you are wasting my time. I suspect you are just easily offended, a Zionist upset because this guy isn’t backing ADL talking points (both of your only actual, specific references were related to Israel), or just don’t want people to pay attention to what is being said.
You know what, I’ll gladly admit I did not bring enough specific receipts and I’m talking in broad terms (although I provided plenty of examples to support my point). My comment was also not about the interview in question. I agree: “assertions are not evidence”. That’s why I brought you some examples which you discounted or simply ignored. You don’t have to watch Hasan’s stream all day to see the difference in social impact he has against the tide that is the right wing media apparatus, because at the end of the day, and this is my main claim: Hasan is not interested in outcomes (except the one that generate revenue).
The point about him not understanding the Western Wall is not central to the claim that it discounts everything he says. It’s central to the claim that his stream is superficial slop content meant to generate views. I don’t know why this is so hard to grasp. If you’ve been covering Israel / Gaza for over two years and you still don’t know what the Western Wall is…That’s weird. It tells me you have no interest in covering this beyond an extremely superficial level. It’s Kony 2012 all over again.
I am making claims that would require you to verify them by consuming his content. I’ve been familiar with his content for over five years. I don’t need to watch his stream any more. I look at the sum total of his outcomes. What has he managed to achieve politically so far? What is he doing to build the movement up? He doesn’t seem to care. Why should I?
I don’t know why this is so hard to grasp. If you’ve been covering Israel / Gaza for over two years and you still don’t know what the Western Wall is…That’s weird. It tells me you have no interest in covering this beyond an extremely superficial level.
It’s only strange if you give weight to the specific religious claims to Jerusalem rather than the humanity of the people living there. The archeological significance of that wall doesn’t change the politics of Zionism or Palestinian liberation, nor should it.
It would be like complaining that someone doesn’t know the significance of the Black Stone in the Kaaba while discussing the geopolitical influence of Saudi Arabia at the UN. Is it a significant part of the mythology of Islam and the region broadly? Sure. Is it relevant to the actions taken by the Saudi government today? Uhhh, not really, no.
Sure. But you should at minimum know about it. You don’t have to talk about it every day. But if you professed to be an expert in Saudi geopolitics and you didn’t know what the Kaaba is then I really don’t see any reason to listen to you any longer. It’s getting ridiculous at this point
You know what, I’ll gladly admit I did not bring enough specific receipts and I’m talking in broad terms (although I provided plenty of examples to support my point).
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That’s why I brought you some examples which you discounted or simply ignored.
You’re “examples”, paraphrased:
He doesn’t know the significance of the Western Wall
He called an Israeli that wasn’t a settler or IDF and called for “peace and a ceasefire” a Nazi
Am I missing any?
I don’t know much about the significance or controversy of the Western Wall. It’s where politicians get photos taken when they want to demonstrate their Zionism. I don’t see the open air prison that is Gaza, or it’s destruction, or the Settlements in the West Bank being directly related to the Western Wall.
I don’t know anything about the interview or the guys comments on this allegedly reasonable, peaceful Israeli. Maybe he just decided a week before the interview that enough is enough. Maybe he is perfectly fine with the situation in the West Bank and the open air prison of Gaza, he just wants to stop worrying about the geopolitics of the conflict and his own safety. I don’t know because you did nothing but make assertions.
Your points, paraphrased:
He just reads Twitter
His content is just slop
He doesn’t care, he just wants money
He doesn’t just reads Twitter. He’s been on TV, He’s been in debates (literally was scheduled to debate Kirk in like a week or two as per this interview). I’ve seen him visiting other political programs. I’m not a fan but it’s obvious he does more than Twitter.
The content I’ve described above is more than slop. He allegedly averages 49 hours a week. A lot of that is going to be trash and low effort. It’s not all he seems to do.
Does he run ads for his own products, like the other grifters? Does he shift his position to maximize viewership or is he principled? I have seen and products (though I don’t really follow) and he has seemed pretty principled. Does he make money? Yes, he’s the largest streamer/influencer on the left. I’ve heard him called the Joe Rogan of the left and that we need of him. While I think that is a ignorant simplification and a bad metaphor, it sounds like he’s at least not just feeding rage bait and slop the entire time.
What has he managed to achieve politically so far? What is he doing to build the movement up? He doesn’t seem to care. Why should I?
What do you expect him to achieve? What would change your mind about him caring? What could he do going forward to earn your respect?
These are fair points. I don’t expect 49 hours of content to be high quality. You are asking the right questions though. I like where this is going!
If after ten years of streaming and media presence the most he can achieve is… More of the same, I count that as a loss. I do see him making bank though. Hasan has stopped most debates and has been adamant that they are useless. Where is the “turning point left”? Where is the canvassing? The fundraising? What legislation or policy is he pushing forward? He’s not a politician, but he has one of the biggest platforms and access. What is he doing with it?
I’m not saying for the democratic party. For any party. Something beyond media punditry. Kirk built up a whole movement that overturned an election. Young white males showed up in droves to vote. As much as I despise Kirk, I see the damage he did because of how effective he is. I wish those on the left could move beyond online punditry and into organizing.
Ah, there it is. So you want someone on the left (the actual left) to pretend like the majority of the Democratic party and it’s leadership isn’t ineffective and feckless. You’d rather blame the left for pointing it out and call their criticism worthless rage bait.
I’d be satisfied with any outcome. Even if it meant the communist party wins the 2028 elections. The key to remember is that Kirk and Shapiro and the entire media apparatus of the right gets people mobilized.
They organize. They vote.
Hasan reads Twitter headlines. If that makes you happy, then do with that what you will.
Ah, there it is. So you want someone on the left (the actual left) to pretend like the majority of the Democratic party and it’s leadership isn’t ineffective and feckless. You’d rather blame the left for pointing it out and call their criticism worthless rage bait.
Here we go again. The dude streams for how many hours a day, how many dayss a week, and you expect him to deliver high quality content the entire time… to modern Internet audiences…?
Like I said, I’m not a fan. I’ve seen a few interviews and debates he participated in. A few referenced clips of note. I remember the clips had a lot of bullshit. Inside jokes with chat, immature shit, or references to things only constantly online people would get, at least I assume. I’m aware enough to know modern shock humor and genuinely offensive comments are separated by a fine line within internet culture.
Ok. He watched and interview with this person? I have no context so I can’t really comment beyond the polls coming out of Israel disturb and scare the shit out of me. Just because you are a victim of a tragedy, and aren’t a member of groups openly commiting crimes against humanity in Israel, you aren’t immediately a good person. Supporting Bibi at this point is enough to make you a pretty horrible human being.
Engage with what I wrote instead of strawmans. I’m aware of the polls coming out of Israel. But here was one individual not aligned with that poll. So you’re point is moot.
I don’t want him to do anything for the democratic party. That’s not what I said. I compared effectiveness. One (Kirk) dsepite being a vile person, accomplished something. Hassan, despite being vile and narcissistic, can’t seem to do much but read Twitter headlines all day.
Were not having a conversation because you seem incapable of engaging with my points.
Go watch his stream. In ten years, it will be the same garbage in garbage out, and nothing will be gained or accomplished.
You made a claim. This is the problem with engaging with comments like yours. I’d have to hunt down whatever you are talking about and waste how much time watching it? Then I might have to do more researching in order to just verify that it happened the way you claim, or the way some summary video portrayed it, and that you yourself did enough research on the guy.
Fucking give me something other than assertions about his personality and motivations, or suggest I would agree if I make watching his stream a full time job.
Did you check to make sure your results were statistically significant or was it just vibes and who won the last election? Effectiveness at what? More importantly how the fuck does this support dismissing what was said in this interview? You know, the comment that I originally responded to?
Alright, I checked. He streams ~7 hours a day, ~7 days a week. No thanks. You don’t get to assign me that kind bullshit work in order to justify my opinion that your opinion isn’t justified. You gave me one link to an hour long summary of one dude allegedly watching Hassan for a week (which I doubt they actually did ~49 hours of watching for). This was to support your claim that he didn’t know the importance of a location within Israel and felt that it was a point of such extreme ignorance that it invalidated any of Hassan’s comments, ever, on the Israel - Palestine conflict, therefore he’s a rage baiting narcissist who’s accomplished nothing?
We’re not. You’re making assertions and I’m telling you why assertions aren’t evidence. Then you tell me to go find support for your assertions within an extraordinariky large body of work. I feel like you are wasting my time. I suspect you are just easily offended, a Zionist upset because this guy isn’t backing ADL talking points (both of your only actual, specific references were related to Israel), or just don’t want people to pay attention to what is being said.
You know what, I’ll gladly admit I did not bring enough specific receipts and I’m talking in broad terms (although I provided plenty of examples to support my point). My comment was also not about the interview in question. I agree: “assertions are not evidence”. That’s why I brought you some examples which you discounted or simply ignored. You don’t have to watch Hasan’s stream all day to see the difference in social impact he has against the tide that is the right wing media apparatus, because at the end of the day, and this is my main claim: Hasan is not interested in outcomes (except the one that generate revenue).
The point about him not understanding the Western Wall is not central to the claim that it discounts everything he says. It’s central to the claim that his stream is superficial slop content meant to generate views. I don’t know why this is so hard to grasp. If you’ve been covering Israel / Gaza for over two years and you still don’t know what the Western Wall is…That’s weird. It tells me you have no interest in covering this beyond an extremely superficial level. It’s Kony 2012 all over again.
I am making claims that would require you to verify them by consuming his content. I’ve been familiar with his content for over five years. I don’t need to watch his stream any more. I look at the sum total of his outcomes. What has he managed to achieve politically so far? What is he doing to build the movement up? He doesn’t seem to care. Why should I?
It’s only strange if you give weight to the specific religious claims to Jerusalem rather than the humanity of the people living there. The archeological significance of that wall doesn’t change the politics of Zionism or Palestinian liberation, nor should it.
It would be like complaining that someone doesn’t know the significance of the Black Stone in the Kaaba while discussing the geopolitical influence of Saudi Arabia at the UN. Is it a significant part of the mythology of Islam and the region broadly? Sure. Is it relevant to the actions taken by the Saudi government today? Uhhh, not really, no.
Sure. But you should at minimum know about it. You don’t have to talk about it every day. But if you professed to be an expert in Saudi geopolitics and you didn’t know what the Kaaba is then I really don’t see any reason to listen to you any longer. It’s getting ridiculous at this point
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You’re “examples”, paraphrased:
He doesn’t know the significance of the Western Wall
He called an Israeli that wasn’t a settler or IDF and called for “peace and a ceasefire” a Nazi
Am I missing any?
I don’t know much about the significance or controversy of the Western Wall. It’s where politicians get photos taken when they want to demonstrate their Zionism. I don’t see the open air prison that is Gaza, or it’s destruction, or the Settlements in the West Bank being directly related to the Western Wall.
I don’t know anything about the interview or the guys comments on this allegedly reasonable, peaceful Israeli. Maybe he just decided a week before the interview that enough is enough. Maybe he is perfectly fine with the situation in the West Bank and the open air prison of Gaza, he just wants to stop worrying about the geopolitics of the conflict and his own safety. I don’t know because you did nothing but make assertions.
Your points, paraphrased:
He just reads Twitter
His content is just slop
He doesn’t care, he just wants money
He doesn’t just reads Twitter. He’s been on TV, He’s been in debates (literally was scheduled to debate Kirk in like a week or two as per this interview). I’ve seen him visiting other political programs. I’m not a fan but it’s obvious he does more than Twitter.
The content I’ve described above is more than slop. He allegedly averages 49 hours a week. A lot of that is going to be trash and low effort. It’s not all he seems to do.
Does he run ads for his own products, like the other grifters? Does he shift his position to maximize viewership or is he principled? I have seen and products (though I don’t really follow) and he has seemed pretty principled. Does he make money? Yes, he’s the largest streamer/influencer on the left. I’ve heard him called the Joe Rogan of the left and that we need of him. While I think that is a ignorant simplification and a bad metaphor, it sounds like he’s at least not just feeding rage bait and slop the entire time.
What do you expect him to achieve? What would change your mind about him caring? What could he do going forward to earn your respect?
These are fair points. I don’t expect 49 hours of content to be high quality. You are asking the right questions though. I like where this is going!
If after ten years of streaming and media presence the most he can achieve is… More of the same, I count that as a loss. I do see him making bank though. Hasan has stopped most debates and has been adamant that they are useless. Where is the “turning point left”? Where is the canvassing? The fundraising? What legislation or policy is he pushing forward? He’s not a politician, but he has one of the biggest platforms and access. What is he doing with it?
I’m not saying for the democratic party. For any party. Something beyond media punditry. Kirk built up a whole movement that overturned an election. Young white males showed up in droves to vote. As much as I despise Kirk, I see the damage he did because of how effective he is. I wish those on the left could move beyond online punditry and into organizing.
Every time someone hates Hasan, that’s why.
I’d be satisfied with any outcome. Even if it meant the communist party wins the 2028 elections. The key to remember is that Kirk and Shapiro and the entire media apparatus of the right gets people mobilized.
They organize. They vote.
Hasan reads Twitter headlines. If that makes you happy, then do with that what you will.