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    PBS, shame on you. Post the legal filing PDF. You read it, but you won’t share it.

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      Seriously. They have nothing to lose here, they’ve already lost federal funding. Might as well make it interesting.

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    I’m pretty sure he did it, but the way this whole thing was handled has been atrocious and incredibly stupid.

    At this point yes, they’ve fucked his whole right to a fair trial beyond repair.

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      Nah this is a perfect example of a Fahrenheit 451 situation. The govt needed to blame someone otherwise they would look incompetent and this guy is who they chose.

      For context in Fahrenheit 451 the main character is on the run for reading books (which have been outlawed) and he watches the cops kill an innocent man while they claim it was him.

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      I’m legitimately unconvinced that they got the right guy. There are issues with all of the evidence against him, and I fully believe that the federal government would, in the absence of an actual suspect, frame the first convenient loner. Like there’s probably a list of “questionable” individuals in a file at the FBI that they can pull up when they need a scapegoat. “How about this Luigi guy? He’s in the general vicinity, and he doesn’t have an alibi. Grab the gun and one of those manifestos from the pile, we gotta go pick him up.”

      It’s also possible he’s guilty, but the prosecution still has to follow the rule of law. If he cannot get a fair trial, he must go free. That’s the only way we can be certain that the government won’t throw us in prison without a fair trial.

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        I’ve read his online last blog entry and that’s what convinced me.

        I think they caught him using illegal means, and I think they fabricated evidence. The political pressure to catch him was insane and none of the evidence makes any sense.

        If he was as smart as I assume he is they probably couldn’t get parallel construction of evidence to add up, so they had to go further. Or they couldn’t disclose the illegal methods used to find and track him.

        The McDonald’s employee noticing him from the masked photos also is bizarre.

        Ultimately the government needs to prove he did it, and the blog post alone is circumstantial.

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          It’s ridiculous that you would run with some document leaked to a freelance journalist to the degree you overlook feds have provided zero evidence this guy was even in the state at the time of the murder. The handling of this trial has been disgusting, on the side of the public as well as the prosecution. It’s downright shameful.

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            I was never big on George Carlin the comedian. He was pretty average at being funny in my opinion. George Carlin the philosopher is pretty fucking great.

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              I kind of agree with his, with the caveat that his language-oriented bits could be extremely funny. My favorite is Airline Announcements.

              He was the epitome of the phrase “you can say anything as long as you make 'em laugh.” What he liked to talk about most was sacrilegious and not inherently funny. So for that, average is pretty good.

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          ???

          can you link the blog post? i’ll look for it but i wanna see.

          edit: ahh it’s the manifesto post, gotcha. just read it. never had yet. i support him even more now.

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            Well I’m glad the document is convincing enough that you don’t need any evidence this guy was in the same state as the murder at the time.

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              i’m operating under the assumption he’s guilty, yes. but i would not be surprised if he wasn’t. i do think he killed the CEO at this moment. it’s what i lean towards.

              curious though, do you have information to suggest warranted skepticism? (skepticism always being warranted)

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                Of course, but it would be better if you tried to break down why you think this is the guy first. Not being glib. Why do you think it’s him? What information led you to that conclusion?

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                  i’ll be honest: i have not done any research on what there is on him or what there isn’t. not as of yet. this is all a gut reaction and how i “feel” regarding what ive consumed about him and the killing. it is not something i would feel confident asserting outside of a general conversation. i truly don’t know if he did it or not.

                  what it boils down to is Luigi speaks in a similar manner “his writing” demonstrates, like i can hear the same voice styles. that doesn’t mean much if you’re setting stuff up though, could be easy to match.

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            You must be really enjoying the new status quo of documents related to these trials being leaked to manipulate public opinion.

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              What led your to believe this? I just corrected a legal misconception that had nothing to do with my opinion or enjoyment ?Circumstantial evidence, if it can be used to prove guilt, is admissable in court. In fact, even DNA is circumstancial evidence that’s permitted in court.

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        I’m legitimately unconvinced that they got the right guy.

        To me, it doesnt matter either way what I think about his guilt. Its on the prosecution to prove it, and until then he is not guilty. As it should be.

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        Yeah, I’m 100% in the “they fabricated a fuckload of evidence because they couldn’t find anything solid” mindset. You’re telling me the dude who managed to evade a nationwide manhunt was caught with the untraceable murder weapon and a printed copy of his manifesto on his person?

        No, he would have had time to disassemble and scatter the 3D printed gun. A little bit in this dumpster over here, a little bit in a public trash can over there, etc… The dude had plenty of time to do so, and would have if he was as smart as he seemed. Hell, he even had a decoy backpack full of Monopoly money for the cops to find.

        The cops disappeared with his backpack for a few minutes, then miraculously found all of the evidence they needed when they brought it back?

        Even if it does go all the way to trial, (which it shouldn’t, because he can’t possibly get a fair trial), I have no doubt that he’ll get railroaded into a conviction.

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          and he ample time fleeing to PENNSYLVANIA too. somehow one instance, of MCD employee reporting him, it was actually an OLD fart that alert the employee.

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        The only reason I’m not sure they framed him is the wealthy family; why didn’t they pick some poor fucker?

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          You just pick someone that has some unstable ramblings you can use as the main base of your evidence that you didn’t fabricate. It’s not like his family is fuck you wealthy.

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          he was also right wing and wealthy, im not surprised they arnt labeling him as such to get public opinion turned against him, since media does want to offen the republican base.

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      OJ got away with a lot more due to bullshit by the cops, and he was legit guilty. Luigi I’m honestly not sure because it’s really hard to tell incompetence from frame-up. In the end, I wouldn’t be surprised if the “evidence” was a frame up and they got him from illegally harvested data that they can’t disclose.

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      Apparently there are questions about the chain of custody of the gun.

      Also there’s the question about why someone after shooting someone would keep the gun? Surely the whole point of a 3D printed gun is that it’s untraceable, but obviously that doesn’t work if you still have it on you days later. Why wouldn’t you throw that in the river, or even just hand it in and claim to have found it. That way your fingerprints been on it are not suspicious. Although personal I would just chuck it in the river and not trying any mind games, that would have probably worked with a previous administrations but this one, not so much.