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  • As long as it’s a federal court holding them in contempt, Trump can just pardon them.

    Criminal contempt has this problem, but civil contempt is not pardonable, because there is no crime to pardon.

    Judge Boasberg is trying to proceed with criminal contempt on the “turn the planes around” order. Whatever happens there, it is unlikely to end in convictions that stick.

    Judge Xinis is proceeding towards civil contempt. If she finds someone in willful contempt, she can imprison them until they choose to comply. And the evidence standard in civil contempt is “clear and convincing,” not “beyond a reasonable doubt.”


  • The infamous immunity ruling gives the President a lot of immunity from criminal prosecution.

    But besides that, there’s an older precedent in civil litigation that no judge can write an injunction directly against the President in the performance of his official duties. So all of these TROs and injunctions, including the Friday SC order, either do not apply to the President himself, or they are illegally broad*.

    Under this theory of law, the President could theoretically arrest and deport all the people he wants with no judicial intervention – just as long he does all the arrests by himself, and flies the planes by himself, etc. In reality, the fat man is always going to have underlings doing the stuff for him, and they do not have this immunity from civil injunctions.

    *This is one of the points raised in Alito’s dissent: the SC order applies to “the Government”, without saying whether the President is included or not.













  • This all assumes you’re a US citizen.

    Correct. US citizens have an absolute right to enter the country. So if they want to detain for more than several hours, they have to come up with criminal charges.

    Permanent residents theoretically enjoy some constitutional rights at the border, but you all have seen what the current situation is

    Non-citizen non-LPRs can simply be refused admission and summarily deported on much flimsier grounds than any of this stuff we’re talking about.



  • Abrego Garcia allegedly has two pieces of paper from immigration court. Paper #1 (allegedly) is a final removal order, and it says he can be deported. Paper #2 is a withholding of removal order, and it says he can’t be deported to El Salvador.

    Why do I keep saying “allegedly”? Because in the current court case, the government was unable to produce paper #1 in court. So Judge Xinis made her decision on the basis that there was no legal authority to remove Abrego Garcia to anywhere. However, the record seems to indicate that paper #1 really does exist, even if the chucklefucks can’t find it.

    Why am I saying this here? Given the amount of utter stupidity with which this operation has been carried out, I think it may be reasonable that there may have been a legit mix-up between the two papers somewhere along the line. I have no evidence one way or the other.