• fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
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    Debian is just Ubuntu before they add Snap.

    Or, remove snap from Ubuntu:

    # Remove snap
            if [ -n "$(which snap 2>/dev/null)" ]; then
                    SNAPS=$(snap list |awk '{print $1}' |grep -v Name)
                    for SNAP in ${SNAPS} do; snap remove ${SNAP}; done
                    sudo systemctl stop snapd
                    sudo systemctl stop snapd.socket
                    sudo systemctl disable snapd
                    sudo systemctl mask snapd
                    sudo apt purge snapd -y
                    sudo apt-mark hold snapd
                    sudo cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
    Package: snapd
    Pin: release a=*
    Pin-Priority: -10
    EOF
                    rm -rf ~/snap
                    sudo rm -rf /snap
                    sudo rm -rf /var/snap
                    sudo rm -rf /var/lib/snapd
                    # Add needed repositories
                    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa -y
                    echo '
    Package: *
    Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam
    Pin-Priority: 1001
    
    Package: thunderbird
    Pin: version 2:1snap*
    Pin-Priority: -1
    ' | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/thunderbird
                    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xtradeb/apps -y
            fi
    
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    Kubuntu 25.10 minimal install doesnt put snaps on your system, a quick script later and I’ve got Firefox, Steam and Heroic official .deb files installed and running, then run this to make sure it never comes back:

    sudo apt-mark hold snapd

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    Tmobile has been trying to do that to me since yesterday. “Complete your setup” notification I deleted half a dozen times and the one time I mistapped brought up a bright magenta blank page but after closing I found they had shoved 8 game shortcuts into my system. Deleted those and the notification returned.had to disable the t-life notification to kill it

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    Waiting for the day they finally drop it… … like unity … like mir … like ubuntu mobile (or whatever it was called)

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    11 hours ago

    Is this something that happens on Ubuntu or something? My Debian system hasn’t pulled in any snap stuff to my knowledge.

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      Around 2021, I regularly ran into this problem with the Firefox snap. It had various runtime issues, so I preferred the traditional deb package. I’d uninstall the snap then install the deb. Then, some days later, I’d find the snap was somehow installed again. This happened a few times before I realized that the deb was just installing the snap. Imo, that’s not a good design. Debs should be debs and snaps should be snaps.

      Anyhow, I use Arch now, btw. Much more consistent experience.

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      Yup, it’s an Ubuntu thing.

      No idea why someone would run Ubuntu and then be surprised that snaps are enabled.

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        On Ubuntu, even if you remove all snaps and snapd, apt commands are hijacked and will reinstall everything if you touch certain packages. The better solution is to not use anything from Canonical.

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        It’s not that they’re enabled, it’s that they can re-enable themselves after updates even if the users disables Snaps and removes snapd.

        Had this issue with Ubuntu on my Dads laptop before I switched it to Debian.

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          From my experience it is people who used Linux 15 years ago and are just now coming back

          They missed the part where Ubuntu enshitified

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          TL;DR (Summary)
          zr0 is expressing a flat rejection of Ubuntu as a valid Linux choice, likely due to Canonical’s decisions around Snap and other user-hostile defaults. They see no redeeming reason for anyone to run Ubuntu — especially with better alternatives like Debian or Arch available.

          List all said “decisions and defaults” that would incur such an unfavorable verdict from a seasonned linux user ?

          1. Snap Package System (snapd)
            This feels to many like vendor lock-in — a betrayal of open-source ideals.
          2. Data Collection (“Ubuntu Phone Home”)
            Though anonymized, the default opt-in raised privacy concerns
          3. Amazon Search Integration in Dash (Ubuntu 12.10–16.04)
            Eventually removed, but left a lasting stain on Canonical’s reputation.
          4. Abandoning MIR and Unity — Then Reversing
          5. Bundling Bloat / Non-Free Software by Default
          6. Canonical’s Commercial Focus
          7. LTS-Only Philosophy in Flavors and PPAs
          8. Centralized Development Model
            Ubuntu is technically “open source,” but most decisions come top-down from Canonical.
            Snap is developed behind closed doors, then pushed downstream.
          9. System Resource Usage
            Ubuntu’s GNOME desktop and background services (like Snap, Tracker, etc.) are heavy on RAM and CPU.
          10. Difficulty Removing Canonical Components
            Removing Snap, cloud-init, or motd-news (system message ads) often takes manual, repeated effort.
            System update may reintroduce unwanted packages.
            This gives a feeling of a system that’s working against the user.

          Do you agree with that assessment user “zr0” ?

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    11 hours ago

    Snap is a pain in the ass eating the bandwidth when it’s low (like in roaming). Yeah I know I should move from ubuntu !

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      It also eats your RAM! My VPS has 512MB and I noticed snapd was running all the time and causing my programs to get oom killed

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        It also kills validation. You think you know what’s installed, but you have 4 copies of it and 3 of them have been sploited and you have no clue.

        All that shit - appimage, snaps, containers - they all hide versions and signed manifests from you while still being terrible in other ways.