We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.
But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.
Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.
What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.
First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.
Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.
And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.
If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.
I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.
Huh? That wasn’t what I was doing at all, you just pulled that accusation out of your ass. You asked me “what evidence”, so I answered, I guess that was the wrong thing to do.
So you actively ignore evidence that might be inconvenient to your opinions?
Ok.
Oh, so a bad faith argument
No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.
Which is, indeed, a bad faith argument.
Also, answering their comments is not ignoring.
Ok.
Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.
None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.
cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.
Sorry, my ignorance of LGBTQ does not dilute my point.
However, in my ignorance, I touched on something you didn’t try to refute and I appreciate it: Republicans are quite often in the closet while publicly raging against the thing they secretly embrace.
thats for sure a thing. with regards to the shooter i recommend reading ken klippenstein’s piece on him, it does not sound like theres enough evidence to firmly consider him a conservative or a groyper or an anarchist yet. he’s weirdly apolitical (aside from executing a bigot for as-yet-vague reasons) and several definitive assertions have been made and later retracted by large media outlets, often citing sources that recanted or hearsay that proved false.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
Thanks for the article. I’ll read it now.
EDIT: I’d already read this one. It’s probably more factual than anything mainstream media has done and that’s including those from either side of the political spectrum.
These days they’re all bowing to Trump anyways so who knows what to trust.
The article has screenshots.
Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.
The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.
Fair enough.
Does that make the shooter a leftist?
Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.
Y’all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?
Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin’s professional cock holsters.
“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.
Just to be clear, he was obviously part of the same way of left wing thinking that holds the following opinions:
Which of those opinions do you take issue with?
As far as I’ve been able to figure out, the kid was neither right nor left, just fucked in the head.
He was left.
Exactly, that’s why I hate politics they just like to politicize everything. Even if he was left or right instead of fighting we should focus on the mental health epidemic(I believe that’s the right word).
It’s like how people sue gun companies for shootings instead of thinking the person who did the shooting is mentally ill
… Politicize everything? A guy killed a political figure for political purposes at a literal rally.
My bad, what I actually meant was politicizing to fit their narrative. As tragic as this event was the right and left are just pointing fingers at each other which doesn’t help things.
Oh ya, the right famously doesn’t point fingers at every point in time, while calling to kill left leaning people.
His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.
How is any of this right wing?
So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.
No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.
Being pro-gay and protrans doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re not right-wing. It just means you don’t share the commonly held out groups. Unusual, yes, but a tell, not really.
If he was dropping some Marxist stuff, was interested in taxing the rich, or universal healthcare, then I would say he’s not right wing.
Deranged take, touch grass
Right back at you. Finger guns
So how do you know he’s right wing?
Edit: Also how do address the hate comment? And justify him killing Kirk for not being far-right enough?
I don’t. I don’t really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I’d give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.
As for not being far right enough, that’s easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.
To a Nazi, anything less than pure, unadulterated Nazism is “left-leaning”.
You could be characterized the same way.
No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you’re most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that’s just a fact.
that’s just a fact
Should be easy for you to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt right now then.
Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.
Parents said their son became more political
While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.
Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.
Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.
Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.
Is the BBC good enough? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
You can actually. I suggest using this website: www.google.com
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Hey, checking the facts isn’t welcome here!
KILL
Pardon my ignorance but is this actually banned on some dumbass platform?
They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.
Likely based on his texts with his transwoman roommate.
What are your reasons for thinking he was on the Right?
My understanding is that everyone who has publicly spoken about him has indicated that while he was raised in a Republican family, he himself held strong Left views. His friends/classmates have indicated he had become very vocal about this and regularly got into arguments over it. He was in a relationship with a trans individual which is a decidedly Left behavior. More than that he murdered a Republican poster boy because of his ideology (as indicated by Tyler himself).
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It’s not funny that people believed he was a groyper. This was such an obvious thing that you need to talk to a psychiatrist about it.
Robinson’s mother told police that her son had “began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders,” the court document said.
And she said that over the past year or so, Robinson had become more political and had “started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” according to the documents.
They were always going to blame it on the left. Facts don’t matter to rightists, only keeping control of their followers. All of Lemmy called it the moment the assassination happened.
His mom literally said that her son shifted left and got into arguments with his father about politics. How does it feel to be on the side of lies and disinformation?
I see your account is brand new. Whether you’re a Russian or Chinese operative, a MAGA propagandist, or just extremely gullible, the Fediverse is probably not the place for you.
I’m gullible because I am trusting his mother’s statement over your conspiracy theory? Lol ok.
Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.
(Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me “that’s exactly what they want” without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter. If you do provide sources, then you are welcome to make fun of me for being skeptical.)
Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.
He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.
I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah
I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it’s possible he doesn’t have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.
Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.
A very fair point indeed
We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.
There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.
What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.
Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.
Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.
I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?
According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.
You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.
But you have sex with ONE HORSE…
Hello, Uncle Jack.
According to some right-wing spaces (r/conservative on Reddit), there is apparently evidence to suggest that the shooter was an outlier within their otherwise hard-right family.
Is there any evidence to the contrary?
Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.
That could change, but today this is true.
Any evidence we have is circumstantial. Most of that circumstantial evidence points in the direction of an extreme right winger.
I’m sure there’s some circumstantial evidence pointing in the opposite direction, but it pales in comparison to the circumstantial evidence pointing in the far right direction.
Much of the circumstantial evidence pointing away from the far right came from a mis-attribution from the FBI to a trans rights marker that was debunked as categorically untrue. Or statements from the Utah Gov which are (AFAIK) not backed up by any actual evidence other than how he “wishes” it was. Or from Trump who is known for lying and making things up.
I’d be curious what evidence they have that hasn’t been announced/released yet that makes them think that.
I suspect they want it to be true that he was left leaning and they may be assigning too great a weight on the debunked FBI claims, the Utah Gov claims, and Trump’s claims; despite most of the circumstantial evidence that’s been released so far pointing in the direction of him being far right.
To be clear, this could change later today if the investigators were to release evidence about the shooter’s motivations. Until then, all we’ve got to go on is what circumstantial stuff has been released so far, and that’s largely pointing in the direction of the far right.
Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.
From the texts between him and his roomate that have been publicly released. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah.“’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”
So, we have his direct statement to his transwoman roommate as to his motive, either you can take that at face value or claim it’s some carefully crafted lie intentionally meant to deceive us as to his real motives. You do you.
“He’s talking about hatred towards the Right, not the Left”
-Lemmy communist attempting to cope
Hi, I’m here to remind you that this is utterly delusional and even reddit mods are about to get real quiet how this “he was right wing” fabrication.
Fair enough, but I think we shouldn’t be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family’s political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can’t really know one way or the other.
A big reason why that’s important, as long as it’s done with care, is because conservatives rely on the rhetoric that purely white, conservative communities would be without crime. This kid grew up in a prime setting to show how amazing their way of life is without any “evil leftist” influences and yet here we are. The US has been given every opportunity to show how great theocratic conservative capitalism is and yet it keeps failing because the reality is that it fucking sucks rocks.
if he’s a leftist, then of course he had “evil leftist” influences. The internet exists.
I wouldn’t trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It’s being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.
I’d even say all indications are that his leanings don’t matter in the specifics of this event.
It’s probably more informative that folks can credibly have theories for either leaning to lead to this event. Lots of reasons that could believably drive any political leaning over the edge if they are close.
His trail’s probably a long way away, isn’t it?
That’s a good question. I honestly don’t know, they’ll probably try to hang him on primetime tv as soon as legally possible.
I just keep hearing about discord and 4chan and how he’s got a trans roommate/girlfriend/landlord. If anyone has any reputable sources I’m interested. I just feel like cable news, the Trump admin, and the Internet are all reporting 24/7 on something they need to investigate.
At least people face consequences for lying under oath. Well in theory.
The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo. I hate how they want to argue instead of trying to unify us (which is what they seem scared to do cuz a unified nation will turn against them)
That is utter bullshit. The right is wanting to go door to door and kill democrats and keep saying this is war. The left is saying we dont condone this kind of abhorrent behavior. They are NOT the same at all.
The oligarchs want that, and the oligarchs have many politicians in their pocket I presume. However, it’s not like non-corrupt non-bought politicians have any reason to be afraid of a unified nation – they’re in politics to effect change in the first place.
Ik just feels like they don’t care. Overall I just hate all this in fighting makes it hard to get stuff done when you point fingers and shit
yeah, I agree. But like, pointing fingers at “politicians” broadly speaking is still just pointing fingers.
Yeahhhhh explaining stuff isn’t my specialty I always end up explaining things wrong lol it’s a bad habit
My sentiment is the same.
To be blunt, Lemmy is a terrible place to ask.
I heard there is video of him using a megaphone to debate Charlie at some point. I do not know where to verify this. I will be looking into it later.
Is it this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncUo1Pnqio
Close enough to double take, but I don’t think its the person they caught.
Kirk’s job was literally to argue like this though, so it might be somewhere else.
Well, that aged like fine milk.
It’s becoming clear people view reality as a “choose your own adventure” game.
Why wait for facts when you can speculate?
Don’t we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion
I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there’s a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don’t know, anything is possible.
To nitpick, the handwritten note under the keyboard got destroyed. So there isn’t any any more.
He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He’s less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.
But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he’s dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he’s gone. Silver linings n’all that 🤷
“Now, I would never advocate murder, but I’m super glad [public figure] is dead. I just wish a tree fell on them instead so it can’t be blamed on us.”
Don’t be surprised when you see this line coming back at you from the other side.
I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.
They were going to do that anyway. And something like this was pretty much inevitable with the way Trump’s been running things. It’s all part of the plan.
Anyone that’s read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they’re going to keep pushing. They’re going to keep targeting the left. They’re going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They’re going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They’re going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when’s the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They’re going to end up openly calling for genocide. It’s going to happen.
So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it’s too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There’s definitely a WIKI page for it.
Antifa is such a strange concept to me because doesn’t it stand for Anti-fascist? So making Antifa your enemy means you are fascist
The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.
I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.
Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.
If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.
To be fair, 1930s got most of their ideas from the US. The country has always been sick in the bones.
So this time around, is that 2 weeks?
That’s an interesting subject, I sometimes wonder “is our fascism progressing faster than the Nazis?”, but I haven’t really come up with a good answer.
I’ll stick with my “2 years” prediction though. I think a Reichstag fire moment is most likely when political tension is high, and political tension naturally peaks in the lead up to a presidential election.
Think that’s a fair assessment. On the one hand we are more connected than ever and sentiment travels fast and echo chambers let dangerous extremist thought fester. On the other hand, Germans were experiencing just a much worse actual living situation.
This is the most fucking American liberal comment thread. Just casually wondering if it will be years or months until the fascists consolidate power and start exterminating people. Gee, how awful that will be. Sure is a shame nobody can do anything about it.
Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.
Could you elaborate?
they love antifa because they can point at anything they don’t like and scream antifa, and now law enforcement will fall on it.
fucking fascists.
The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It’s convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn’t exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.
do you have a single shred of evidence?
where do they go to sign up, antifa.org?
Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.
indeed; but you’ve figured it all out apparently, so drop the wisdom. how is ‘the left’ coordinating via ‘antifa’ to break the law?
also, what’s wrong with anti fascism? everyone should be anti fascism, unless you’re a goose stepping fascist cocksucker.
Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.
“Oh the democrats have done much worse.” When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.
People really are that out of touch with reality.
I have had the same experience and its frustrating. I mentioned Trumps claim that all his actions are legal, and his reply was “well it was ok when Biden said it”, like a knee-jerk reaction.
I had to JackieChan_WHAT.jpg while driving.
They are fascists.
Period.
They fit the definition.
They are fascists.
They might be stupid fascists that don’t even know it, but that doesn’t change that they’re fascists.
And fascists are liars
To them any concept of socialism or human rights is considered communism or lgbtq+ . They smear themselves in fascist excrements, coming straight from the orange pudding’s ass.
People really are that out of touch with reality.
there’s a portion that are ignorant sure. and there’s a portion that leverages that ignorance as a shield to deny their fascist motivations.
they’re both awful.
Did they provide any real world examples?
yeah they saw it on facebook or truth social
Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered “celebration” or “justification”. We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.
Dont rewrite history while its still happening, mate. Saying you dont like him because X reasons is not the issue being brought up. Its the people cheering for his death, celebrating murder and worse calling for more of it. I didnt like the cunt, but I never wanted him to fucking die. But a lot of people on this very platform are drinking and cheering. And thats ghoulish behaviour. Its not about Kirk at that point, its about the people saying it.
If you looked at Reddit, you would see that any criticism of Kirk is largely being equated to celebration or at least supporting it.
Even if you ignored that, people are getting fired in droves for saying mild things, and the fascists are trying to force people nationwide to either keep quiet or participate in memorials. Just yesterday Oklahoma tried to force their school children into a minute of silence for the monster.
And even if you ignored that, just posting Kirk’s quotes are making a lot of people angry.
And even if you ignored that, there’s a huge attack overall on the left’s free speech in general. The Nazis are declaring war on us from the administration, saying they will dismantle the left. And declare leftists terrorist groups.
None of this is okay. Open your eyes.
Bullshit
Maybe it should be about the factors that led to a person murdering another person and not the bystander reactions to a notable event that happened.
So, youre now going with the “she deserved to be raped. What did she think was going to happen going up to his hotel room at 3 in the morning?”???
Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.
I’m open to suggestion!
Political memes? https://lemmy.ca/c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
I often post there, but this isn’t a ‘meme’.
Here’s the recreation:LOL. I totally didn’t realize I commented on your meme, before commenting on your shit post. HUGS. So, yeah, looks like you already got all the bases covered.
I was looping the same way.
cheers,
Microblog posts? !micro@reddthat.com
Agreed!
Thanks for next time!
It’s not and should be reposted elsewhere
Shit Reality, Shit Post
It’s a Midas shitpost.
