Ah, so the son of George Washington Hitler became a doctor? Good for him!

If only

Honestly, messing with the formatting of the first verse was enough. My phone can’t regex, and I really despise that word too much to try to fix it. I’m not inclined to put more effort into the formatting as Ye did into the lyrics themselves.

saying he’s treated like a nazi so might as well say he’s a nazi.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi is kind of timeless

The only thing I get from the experience is half an hour older.

That was a fire line, and I’m stealing it.

Only thing Kanye West needs help with at this point is shutting the fuck up.

Never do a Kardashian. Not once. Meth has better long term expectations than a man involved with a Kardashian.

I’m pretty sure after his mother died, (of complications from a weight loss procedure he paid for), it broke him. He started abusing nitrous, Kim K tried to keep him compliant with doctors and meds, but eventually gave up to keep the kids safe.

I am convinced that he has always been neurodivergent - possibly autistic. He’s always had strange lyrics, but was a genius producer. He had his finger on the pulse for what kinds of sounds to bring out of SoundCloud and other spaces - you see in Yeezus that he’s kinda bringing the experiments of groups like CLPPNG and Death Grips to the mainstream.

He’s also going through some serious creative decline. Life of Pablo was strained. He’s resorting to shit like AI. That cannot feel good. He knows that something is wrong, but has to externalize it because of his “god” persona.

The comparison to someone in an asylum is apt. If he wasn’t rich, those song lyrics would have been written on a bathroom wall in feces.

He needs help, not a microphone.

Some modern religious philosophies (most notably Chaos Magick) essentially believe that thoughts, symbols, ideas, and cultural concepts gain power through their spread and repetition. Within this framework, Shrek may as well be a god because he’s the center of a popular media franchise and the basis of many popular memes. By saying “Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life” it becomes real in a sense. That’s kind of where I think that would be coming from. I’ve seen people make similar arguments about batman and mickey mouse being their personal gods.

They also included flubber. Flubber represented the Trinity - because it is neither a solid nor a liquid. God is a translucent Shrek made out of flubber.

That was the gist of it, across thirty minutes. The friends next to us were having a conversation about how both of them were vampires and their dad had power over storms.

It was a college volunteer project where I was trying to come up with volunteer projects to connect folks to the community. Was fun - we crocheted granny squares for baby rhinos.

So Kanye doesn’t get a penny from his songs he made before 2012?

You alright bro?

If someone keeps making Nazi comments online, should they be banned or just the comments removed?

He’s got another song on that album about showing a younger (?) cousin porn and having sucked his dick. That cousin is in prison for murdering someone. Now, children are curious and child perpetrated sexual abuse is a complicated and messy topic for professionals, but I don’t think you have to be a professional to say “yeah, probably not a good idea to release that.”

unaliving themselves

It’s ok. You can say it here. The algorithm isn’t going to get you.

Why do you think they pretty much all end up overdosing, unaliving themselves

I think a huge part of the reason suicidal people feel so alone is because society absolutely refuses to talk about it.

If you choose to self censor to make your content more friendly to advertisers while robbing vulnerable suicidal people of the language they need to be taken seriously, of course people are going to end up “unaliving” themselves because of it.

Imagine trying to explain you’re suicidal to a friend who isn’t even capable of hearing the word “suicide”.

I can’t believe it was that incident that revealed Snopes as a nazi outlet(they basically said it was impossible to tell and talked about “not being able to read his mind”. And they have made zero attempts at correcting the article or changing their stance, so they stand by what was written)

They’ve been more careful than Kanye.

removeds See My Twitter But They Don’t See How I Be Feeling So I Became A Nazi

Lyrics from the song

So we’re doing nazi apologism now?

We’re throwing ourselves toward an authoritarian and dystopian future.

Precisely why we must not allow the glorification of nazism to perpetuate.

Be the change you desire

That’s illegal.

Totally wrong on this one. Your rights end where others begin. Is it OK if a guy writes a song about torturing and killing you. You specifically. No? What about 3 songs? 10 songs?

There’s a very clear line in free speech. You are free to say what you wish WITH IN NORMAL PARAMETERS! Does this protect some hate speech, or what a targeted group might see as hate speech? A bit. But not the brazen stuff. You want to stand on a corner and talk about how the pope controls the weather? OK. You want to stand on a street corner and clearly call people to violence to harm Catholics and their property? No. That’s not free speech. You aren’t allowed to call people to violence.

Is praising Hitler, and other neo nazi garbage hate speech? Yes. It’s hate speech. There’s no Hitler that didn’t kill millions of people. There’s no nazi party that didn’t call people to action and violence. You don’t have the freedom to stand on a street corner and clearly make appeals to specific violence. That’s never been allowed.

The government isn’t silencing him. Private entities are deciding not to support it. Forcing them to would be against free speech.

Dude. There’s a limit to that expression. There’s a reason why nobody likes Nazi’s and they deserve a punch in the face at minimum. Don’t be on the repeat side of history by performing some kind mental gymnastics to preserve freedom of expression and inadvertantly protect Nazism with that argument. That’s what apologists do now and did in the past.

Always remember this: if you have 10 people eating dinner at a table and 1 of them is a Nazi, how many nazi’s do you have? The answer is 10 Nazis.

You need to spend some time thinking on the (misnamed) “paradox of tolerance”. The idea you’re espousing is exactly the most critical, fundamental misunderstanding of tolerance as a moral value.

The “paradox of tolerance” is the idea that one must even tolerate the intolerant - it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.

But there is no paradox, never has been. Tolerance must never be given to the hatefully intolerant. Nazism can never be tolerated, it must be defeated as quickly as possible everywhere it sprouts up. And I do absolutely mean violently, I am not talking about just simple ostracism or censorship.

A society that tolerates the hatefully intolerant is fully doomed. Please, come to realize that you are not advocating for anything high-minded, you are advocating for the destruction of all things beautiful, art or otherwise.

I don’t know why this has to keep being repeated. It’s not hard.

Free speech does not mean you are entitled to have a private entity like a website host your content or speech.

He is welcome to sing this on the streets. He is welcome to publish this himself, be it hosted by a website he creates or in a physical medium.

He is not entitled to it being placed on retail shelves. He is not entitled to have it hosted on YouTube or Spotify.

This isn’t hard. The government of the United States has made absolutely no moves to silence this song. He can sing it and personally distribute it as much as he wants. But no one can be forced to distribute it for him

Yep, so in Australia NSW police have been contacting Spotify/YouTube/etc with requests to delist certain songs from Sydney drill rap bands that glorify and promote gang violence against Spotify’s/Youtube’s/etcs policies, the streamers have in some cases agreed and delisted the music, in other cases they have not and the music remains. This is after the groups theyve had issues with (eg One-Four) have caused multiple riots and had several charges and convictions, so it’s arisen from a desire to serve public good. Only certain tracks have been targeted from what I can see, not whole albums or artist catalogs.

That’s a far cry from the government deciding what art people can or cannot listen to in my opinion. They have only asked some streaming platforms to adhere to their own policies, and then tbe platforms have made their own decisions on case by case basis.

Is there other actions I’m not aware of? The govt hasn’t passed any laws to block the sale of drill rap nor banned its play on radio etc?

The guy is once again professing his love for Hitler. This song is normalizing the Usage of Heil Hitler. How the fuck do you not see that?

Nah this is fucked, stop trying to be whatever this is.

Is it still music and art that should be platformed when it calls for genocide?

Edit: whoops I fell for sealioning again

You may want to consider the tolerance of intolerance here champ

You are disgusting. Your argument is wack and holds no water. Social media has no obligation to host hate speech. Fuck you for being a bottom dwelling Nazi apologist.

And none of those platforms have to host the material. I don’t know what drill rap is.

Who gets to decide? The gallery, the sculpture garden, and YouTube.

I agree with you, BTW. However, I haven’t seen any government attempt to censor this song yet. Song sucks though, and I’m a fan of early Kanye.

Who gets to decide what art is objectionable and have it censored?

Me

With the art excuse we are at the point that saying “heil Hitler” is not okay but singing it is okay.

Yeah, if he’s singing about how we should all gas the Jews, or kill all the Palestinians, or mass murder all Ukrainians, it’s all fine, it’s just art, you see?

I’m glad I don’t have your big smooth brain

First of all, these are private companies, not governments. They can technically do whatever TF they want, and we probably shouldn’t have ceded so much power to them.

…Anyway, I think you have a point. Or at least part of one.

It’s reasonable to draw red lines like “no nazism on our platform.” But at the end of the day Spotify and such can ban whatever they want, with no repercussions since it’s basically a network of defacto, legally shielded monopolies.

So how would we feel if, say, they started banning podcasts a little too popular and too critical of the president?

In other words, banning nazism as a policy is fine, but arbitrarily banning what looks bad to them is indeed going to be a problem.

He’s a Nazi and he should be fucking shot.

Are you saying you think it’s ok to give a platform to content explicitly promoting genocide and Nazism so long as it has a beat?

Bad take on Ye’s Hitler music

No.

Are you saying that Germany should never have banned NSDAP?

“If you don’t like the party, just don’t join it” is what you’re saying?

🤔

That’s not really at issue here.
This isn’t the government deciding what art is objectionable, and arresting those who play music they don’t like. This is a private company deciding what it wants to host in it’s library, that it curates, it pays license fees for, and sells subscriptions too. Ye or any Nazi absolutely has the right to make and sell any music they want. They however don’t have the right to force another company to sell their music for them.

So if there is a new song that lists all of the high up government official’s addresses and tells everyone to kill them and a billionaire will give them a million dollars to do it, that would be cool? You think that would be art? Nah dude, those song people would get a knock on their door before the song plays though 10 times.

While this can certainly be interpreted as defending awful people (which I’m sure someone will, prepare for downvotes because many only read the first paragraph and do not understand nuance) with an awful message, I tend to agree with you.

Music is art, and like any artwork its quality does not depend on its message. I have to admit that the gay fish was never the kind of artist I enjoyed simply because the rap tracks I like are few and far between. (Wtf is drill rap?)

But to use a different angle: I’ve always been a metal head, and there’s quite a lot of black metal that I enjoy. And as most sensible people understand, that doesn’t make me a satanist, nor do I endorse burning of churches.

So the obvious question is then: Is Ye’s newer stuff any good? Well, fuck if I know. I cannot name a single song Ye made. But he’s not exactly making it more tempting to try and like his stuff. Anyway, fuck him and fuck the horse he rode in on.

EDIT: I did some research. I remember Golddigger. That’s all.