Millions will die in a war before the U.S. let’s California go anywhere. If California split from the U.S., the U.S. would start to default on all of the loans without forcing large amounts of the debt somehow onto California. Not to mention the number of military bases and equipment that exists there, the entire western seaboard would be considered a security threat.
Also, remember that during the revolutionary war the French provided support. I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California in providing defensive equipment and offensive weapons. We’re also 10% of the US population with a whole mountain range providing protection and desserts between us and the rest of the “mainland.” So logistically we’re covered very well if we really have to.
They can consider us whatever they want as long as we’re winners I don’t care.
I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California
New England will. We’ve got them surrounded! I’ll bet we could hire the regressives to fight themselves. We’ll send waves and waves of Southerners against … the South
A staggering amount of the military tools the american empire uses are designed and many made in California and Washington. Boeing Lockheed Raytheon, some Grumman, etc.
The ‘arsenal of democracy’? That’s us. Less than we used to be–but fascists can’t make shit.
Basically all the surveillance tools are made here. The assets are here. The dog shit states can’t fight us in open geographically aligned war and they know it.
I think too, and it’s something I’ve seen with my conservative family, is that here on the west coast we took stock of what was happening in Ukraine. I think for a lot of us here we’re learning how drones as tools of war can help make a small army mighty. I get the feeling that the middle America would want to fight with the weapons of WWII (think artillery and tanks) while we could be utilizing drone and electronic warfare. Either way, I don’t want it to come to that. I’d prefer the MAGA base come back to reality and start realizing they’re the ones that kept going further right and not the “Dems” going further left. It’s crazy how much my family has shifted in ideology over the last decade meanwhile I haven’t changed position, but somehow I’ve become the leftist.
My mother and I both worked in aerospace in California for extended periods (though never at the same firms). She went from being a moderate Republican (when there was such a thing) to being a strong socialist. I’m a social democrat, but have moved farther to the left than I was in my 20s.
I’ve seen former aerospace colleagues abandon rightwing politics too: not enough of them, but more than I would have expected. And we’re the kind of people who know military strategy and how to design weapons systems.
offers an entire handful of pills papers and candies
But real talk: yeah it would be great if they could be people again. I’m not sure most of them can. I’m not sure it’s practical to save the ones we maybe can. I think death is genuinely the only out for them. I hate this. I hate what they’ve become, and more than that I hate what they did ti themselves to become it. I hate that there are things that look like people–even specific people we used to love–that just aren’t anymore.
The same could be said of Churchill standing up to Hitler. The difference between those two pieces of shit was that, when Hitler was defeated, the voters of Britain could, and did, fire Churchill.
Millions will die in a war before the U.S. let’s California go anywhere. If California split from the U.S., the U.S. would start to default on all of the loans without forcing large amounts of the debt somehow onto California. Not to mention the number of military bases and equipment that exists there, the entire western seaboard would be considered a security threat.
Maybe, but freedom is worth fighting for.
Also, remember that during the revolutionary war the French provided support. I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California in providing defensive equipment and offensive weapons. We’re also 10% of the US population with a whole mountain range providing protection and desserts between us and the rest of the “mainland.” So logistically we’re covered very well if we really have to.
They can consider us whatever they want as long as we’re winners I don’t care.
New England will. We’ve got them surrounded! I’ll bet we could hire the regressives to fight themselves. We’ll send waves and waves of Southerners against … the South
A staggering amount of the military tools the american empire uses are designed and many made in California and Washington. Boeing Lockheed Raytheon, some Grumman, etc.
The ‘arsenal of democracy’? That’s us. Less than we used to be–but fascists can’t make shit.
Basically all the surveillance tools are made here. The assets are here. The dog shit states can’t fight us in open geographically aligned war and they know it.
I think too, and it’s something I’ve seen with my conservative family, is that here on the west coast we took stock of what was happening in Ukraine. I think for a lot of us here we’re learning how drones as tools of war can help make a small army mighty. I get the feeling that the middle America would want to fight with the weapons of WWII (think artillery and tanks) while we could be utilizing drone and electronic warfare. Either way, I don’t want it to come to that. I’d prefer the MAGA base come back to reality and start realizing they’re the ones that kept going further right and not the “Dems” going further left. It’s crazy how much my family has shifted in ideology over the last decade meanwhile I haven’t changed position, but somehow I’ve become the leftist.
My mother and I both worked in aerospace in California for extended periods (though never at the same firms). She went from being a moderate Republican (when there was such a thing) to being a strong socialist. I’m a social democrat, but have moved farther to the left than I was in my 20s.
I’ve seen former aerospace colleagues abandon rightwing politics too: not enough of them, but more than I would have expected. And we’re the kind of people who know military strategy and how to design weapons systems.
offers an entire handful of pills papers and candies
But real talk: yeah it would be great if they could be people again. I’m not sure most of them can. I’m not sure it’s practical to save the ones we maybe can. I think death is genuinely the only out for them. I hate this. I hate what they’ve become, and more than that I hate what they did ti themselves to become it. I hate that there are things that look like people–even specific people we used to love–that just aren’t anymore.
It feels like living through some real-life version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Pod people. Pod people everywhere…
I bet Russia would jump on the opportunity
I think Russia would take the other side, and Trump would be glad to accept their help. Newsom wouldn’t want it anyway.
Don’t give newsom too Mich credit. Hes just a piece of shit who hates another piece of shit.
The same could be said of Churchill standing up to Hitler. The difference between those two pieces of shit was that, when Hitler was defeated, the voters of Britain could, and did, fire Churchill.
Better than a suck-up like certain other governors
Sure hes better than the head Florida man, but you didnt know anyone worse than him before 2014. You still dont know any non-maga who’s worse.
The USA wouldn’t have a western seaboard if California and the western states secede
Damn. Maybe they shouldn’t kick us out, then.