I am genuienly curious, you have a definition of gore…that is not fundamentally based in a human realizing something is very, very wrong with another living being?
Like… your blood is generally supposed to stay inside you. Blood is generally considered more gory the more of it there is.
Alright. Gore is the inside squishy bits of the body you shouldn’t see: muscles, torn flesh, whatnot. You see someone’s brains or a stump where an appendage was just separated, that’s gore.
Blood is… well… blood. In context it’s alarming, but ultimately it’s just a bunch of opaque red liquid.
the blood doesn’t spray everywhere or all over him, but you can tell a lot gushed out quickly and goes out of view of the camera….
it’s really fast and mostly you notice his shirt moving suddenly
Agreed that people draw the lines in different ways. For me personally, the video is bloody, not gory. It’d be gory if there was viscera clearly visible.
Regardless, can see it being a traumatic image for some. But on the other hand, a lot of us are desensitized.
Yeah I felt the same. I actually can’t watch gory films but this video wasn’t hard to watch. But then I’ve experienced quite a lot of difficult situations irl so maybe I’m desensitised.
But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.
Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
I’ve been hyper-aware of the possibility of a school shooting since I was in grade school. I’ve watched Palestinians be murdered for over ten years. I’ve watched poor young Russian idiots and Ukrainian soldiers blown apart for the past three years. And I just saw one of the biggest cheerleaders of all that in the States killed.
“Sick reality” has nothing on it. A piece of shit who advocated for and contributed to the shittiest of shitty policy in the US, which has led to the deaths of numerous other people, was killed, and by one of the shitty policies he himself advocated (political violence or gun proliferation, as you prefer).
This isn’t even getting into the ‘less’ severe domestic dangers he was part of pushing forward - the concentration camps for immigrants, the rampant dehumanization of LGBTQ folk, the stripping of medical assistance to the filthy poors who are too sick to be worth keeping alive.
True tbh that my dark feelings aren’t doing any good, but we absolutely do need people to understand that they can take direct action against the fash.
And furthermore, people who are fascist-curious need to be shown that if they want to be positively remembered by their community, they need to cut it with their fascist crap.
Lastly, we need to remind people that being a fucking monster ought to be dangerous business.
The man literally said crying is for babies and empathy is a “new age made up thing”.
I don’t want the world to devolve into one person killing another because they disagree, but he was a piece of shit and deserves little to no sympathy as a result.
Me either. I’m not even sad he’s (apparently) no longer among us. I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
There’s a fine line between advocating for violence, and being aware that violence is going to happen whether we want it to or not. As someone else mentioned, the Right Wingers are absolutely ready to pull the trigger and it’s naive for people on the left to think “It won’t happen to me, so why bother being ready.”
I look at this killing the way I look at Luigi; I’m not going to shed a tear for the victim. He had it coming to him and then some. And I hope the shooter never gets found because fuck Charlie Kirk.
I’m not saying there needs to be all out revolution. But actions such as this killing are good in that they make the other side realize that “yes…we are ready…and you’re not safe if you keep trying your shit”.
That’s like asking why someone with a tumor is calling for a surgeon to cut it out, even if that person isn’t themself a surgeon.
Lots of people would be extremely uncomfortable watching a major surgery, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t stop them from coming to the OR when they need one. Nor should they be forced to see footage of their operation.
We have a fascism problem, and personally I’m thankful we have people with the aptitude and fortitude to address it, regardless of my own ability or lack thereof in that area.
To be fair, I also wouldn’t care if Biden got shot right now. I’m not gonna be the one that does it, but if someone else does it, oh well, couldn’t care less… 🤷♂️
Do we have to “thoughts and prayer” every time some politician dies?
Also, uh, if you have any doubt in your fortitude whatsoever, do not watch them.
Seriously.
For anyone who is curious but might not want to watch the video, here’s a description I found that a friend of mine who watched it says is accurate:
Description
he got shot in the neck by a high powered rifle and instantly litres of blood spewed out as he slumped over. He likely won’t survive.
Dude could have fell off his seat and onto a trauma operating table and still died.
“Likely won’t survive”… My dude was dead within seconds.
He tensed up and stared off into the distance like he was gone instantly. Probably hit in the spinal.
Like Kill Bill levels of blood squirting out?
Heavy leaking artery. Not as a bad as that Buffalo Sabres goalie in the 90s getting cut by a skate
Like an open spigot.
Yeah that matches what I saw
Lol, that sounds like my first RE4 playthrough
RE4 Spoiler and potential gore
the chainsaw dude literally decapitating my man Leon, literally scarier than any other enemy in the game, solely for the gorey part
Yep yep yep this x100, if you have PTSD or just have never seen or cannot handle extreme gore, probably actually do not watch the clip.
This is an extremely legitimately trigger warning worthy video clip.
For anyone wondering: it’s not gory as such, but it is significant in that way that tells our lizard brains something undeniably bad just happened.
I…what?
How else would you define ‘gory’?
I am genuienly curious, you have a definition of gore…that is not fundamentally based in a human realizing something is very, very wrong with another living being?
Like… your blood is generally supposed to stay inside you. Blood is generally considered more gory the more of it there is.
I mean, the phrase “blood and gore” sort of lays out the distinction.
… No, what I am saying is that it does not, for me, and I am asking for clarificatiom.
Alright. Gore is the inside squishy bits of the body you shouldn’t see: muscles, torn flesh, whatnot. You see someone’s brains or a stump where an appendage was just separated, that’s gore.
Blood is… well… blood. In context it’s alarming, but ultimately it’s just a bunch of opaque red liquid.
the blood doesn’t spray everywhere or all over him, but you can tell a lot gushed out quickly and goes out of view of the camera….
it’s really fast and mostly you notice his shirt moving suddenly
So to you, only blood spatter is gory?
Not actually just watching something like 1/3 to 1/2 his blood exit his body in maybe 3 seconds tops?
Like if a guy shat out all his intenstines, but … they went off camera, neatly into a bucket… that wouldn’t be gory?
Again I am just curious about this, different people are disgusted by different things, draw the lines in different ways I guess.
Agreed that people draw the lines in different ways. For me personally, the video is bloody, not gory. It’d be gory if there was viscera clearly visible.
Regardless, can see it being a traumatic image for some. But on the other hand, a lot of us are desensitized.
Ya, the video is grim. Seriously doubt he survived.
I’m extremely squeamish normally but that video isn’t bad at all.
Yeah I felt the same. I actually can’t watch gory films but this video wasn’t hard to watch. But then I’ve experienced quite a lot of difficult situations irl so maybe I’m desensitised.
I don’t think people are used to seeing that volume of blood outside movies. That’s like, dead in minutes type bleeding
Finally someone who can shoot (sorry Tommy Crooks, you suck)
Agree. I watched it and really wish I hadn’t.
But if someone’s gonna make some wisecrack comment celebrating/endorsing acts of violence, they should definitely watch it to see the sick reality of what they’re celebrating.
Kirk is (was?) a piece of shit, but the armchair judges, juries, and wannabe executioners around here need a reality check.
Watched the video. Hell, I’ve seen it live in the past.
Im glad a fascist is dead.
There is at least one fewer person advocating for the complete removal of my civil rights as a trans woman.
He won’t be missed, and in two months I’ll think about him as much as I think about Rush Limbaugh.
https://www.blazingsword.org/
Get armed, train, and be ready. Shits about to get spicy.
An armed minority is harder to oppress.
I’m a double stroke victim. I can barely walk without a cane.
My job isn’t to punch nazis, my job is to tell the nazi-punchers what squares to stand on, and what the nazis’ weaknesses are (hint: it’s bullets).
Ah, stay strong, then.
Lester doesn’t go on heists, but the dude is still very important.
Ok we got it, you are important too
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
-Charlie Kirk (https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113)
So don’t worry, he’s fine with it.
Died doing what he loved, I guess.
Fucking lol
I watched it. Felt nothing.
I’ve been hyper-aware of the possibility of a school shooting since I was in grade school. I’ve watched Palestinians be murdered for over ten years. I’ve watched poor young Russian idiots and Ukrainian soldiers blown apart for the past three years. And I just saw one of the biggest cheerleaders of all that in the States killed.
“Sick reality” has nothing on it. A piece of shit who advocated for and contributed to the shittiest of shitty policy in the US, which has led to the deaths of numerous other people, was killed, and by one of the shitty policies he himself advocated (political violence or gun proliferation, as you prefer).
This isn’t even getting into the ‘less’ severe domestic dangers he was part of pushing forward - the concentration camps for immigrants, the rampant dehumanization of LGBTQ folk, the stripping of medical assistance to the filthy poors who are too sick to be worth keeping alive.
Fuck him.
We live in interesting times.
I watched it 15 times in a row. Gonna watch it a few dozen times more when more perspectives come back. He deserves worse.
Goddamn right I’m sick in the head! Fascism makes us sick. All the more reason to stand up to the monsters who push for it.
Your blood lust isn’t helping anything.
A dead fascist is always progress. One less person traveling from campus to campus, recruiting for the Reich Wing.
Generally nazis do not die quickly unless you kill them. And if you do not, then they will kill you instead. The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
yes, it is. Charlie Kirk spreads hate and fear. fuck him and fuck his message.
Then why are you not organizing an attack squad? Instead you are just a keyboard warrior hoping to radicalize someone who sees your comments.
Edit: their removed reply to this post was advocating for violence.
How is your comment not advocating for violence? Really sounds like you’re pushing him to be violent rather than just leave angry comments online
It’s an attempt at being absurd to illuminate their position. Futile, I know.
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Fair
True tbh that my dark feelings aren’t doing any good, but we absolutely do need people to understand that they can take direct action against the fash.
And furthermore, people who are fascist-curious need to be shown that if they want to be positively remembered by their community, they need to cut it with their fascist crap.
Lastly, we need to remind people that being a fucking monster ought to be dangerous business.
Write up some instructions and help them plan then.
Edit: I see they totally edited their comment after my reply. It is no longer flippant.
I’m guessing: get a weapon and use it? The rest is just extra steps.
Sitting around while these monsters rip apart people’s lives has helped even less
I’m not going to celebrate his death. But I’m not going to spare him any empathy either. He preached hate. Got hate in return. FAFO.
The man literally said crying is for babies and empathy is a “new age made up thing”.
I don’t want the world to devolve into one person killing another because they disagree, but he was a piece of shit and deserves little to no sympathy as a result.
Me either. I’m not even sad he’s (apparently) no longer among us. I just get disgusted with everyone who’s calling for violence left and right (metaphorically and politically).
There’s a fine line between advocating for violence, and being aware that violence is going to happen whether we want it to or not. As someone else mentioned, the Right Wingers are absolutely ready to pull the trigger and it’s naive for people on the left to think “It won’t happen to me, so why bother being ready.”
I look at this killing the way I look at Luigi; I’m not going to shed a tear for the victim. He had it coming to him and then some. And I hope the shooter never gets found because fuck Charlie Kirk.
I’m not saying there needs to be all out revolution. But actions such as this killing are good in that they make the other side realize that “yes…we are ready…and you’re not safe if you keep trying your shit”.
I think people missed the point of your comment. I see many, many comments on here advocating or endorsing violent action against fascism.
Okay fine, but if you can’t stomach a video of it, let alone witness it in person, why are you calling for it?
Lots of people like eating beef until they have to kill the cow.
That’s like asking why someone with a tumor is calling for a surgeon to cut it out, even if that person isn’t themself a surgeon.
Lots of people would be extremely uncomfortable watching a major surgery, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t stop them from coming to the OR when they need one. Nor should they be forced to see footage of their operation.
We have a fascism problem, and personally I’m thankful we have people with the aptitude and fortitude to address it, regardless of my own ability or lack thereof in that area.
Kirk pushes a narrative of violence and hate. I felt nothing but celebration seeing him get shot
Username checks out.
I mean we didn’t shoot him
To be fair, I also wouldn’t care if Biden got shot right now. I’m not gonna be the one that does it, but if someone else does it, oh well, couldn’t care less… 🤷♂️
Do we have to “thoughts and prayer” every time some politician dies?
Staring the gritty reality of what you’re encouraging right in the face is always a good idea.
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I mean did you hear what his last words were?
Blah blah gang violence.
You’ll get downvoted by the majority here for that type of comment
Agreed. Anyone spamming celebration across all lemmy communities should be shut down.