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Damn. If only there was a way to get protection against measles without having to get measles. Some sort of injection. That’d be useful.
Maybe an infusion
- Measles estimated case-fatality rate: 1.3%
- Estimated US population: 346,715,067
- Measles deaths if everyone in the US got measles: 4,507,295
- Upper limit on estimated MMR vaccine caused anaphylaxis: 0.000066%
- Anaphylaxis case-fatality rate: 0.3%
- Estimated vaccine-caused fatality rate: 1.98 * 10^-7 %
- Estimate vaccine-caused fatalities avoided by not vaccinating US population: 0.69
- Net increase in fatalities from switching to measles natural immunity for everyone in the US: 4,507,294
So it would only be better if he wants an extra 4.5 million Americans to die.
Measles also resets your immune system, making other illnesses deadly again.
Back in the day you’d survive Smallpox, then get Measles, then get Smallpox again.
These days, I guess it will be Covid and the Flu killing most people.
Beat me to it. People forget that that is one of the worst aspects of surviving measels. Your immune system is fucked. Meaning you will die from some disease you HAD immunity to previously. This is why measels was effectively a death sentence if you got it as an adult.
its more or less immunosuppression rather than resetting it, measles infect the dendritic cells which tells your t-cells to attack, so when those are destroyed your body cant react to new diseases, its also a form “acquired immunodeficiency”, your body still can fight, it just takes a lot longer, since b-cells takes a while to pump out enough antibodies.
his worms are willing to make that sacrifice.
that’s only 1500 or so 9/11s… who cares, right?
Well I was told that deporting people would solve the housing crisis. Since that isn’t working out killing 4.5 million Americans seems like their fallback position.
It would solve America’s antivax issue at least.
Are there any other complications from contracting measles that you haven’t factored in?
I was about to say, the collapse of the hospital system under the burden of both measles and all the other reasons people will still need hospitals will multiply that percentage.
Hey at least we saved that (1.98 * 10^-7)th person!
It’d be better if you were an obscure and unimportant member of the Kennedy family and stayed that way.
dint know he existed til he announced his run.
I heard about him from a Behind the Bastards podcast a few years back. I knew he was a dumpster fire and was really surprised/not surprised he got a position.
Surprised because he’s an idiot. Not surprised because it’s par for this administration.
Hand picked by the president to be the best person for the job for leading the dept of health.
Thank goodness we are finally hiring based on merit!
Heroin really makes you focus too, it’s great for long study sessions.
also convinced govt of somoa to stop MEASLES VACCINATION, resulting in 86 children deaths. also drove his former wife to suicide.
No, in Samoa there were vaccines administered incorrectly and people died. Their hesitancy was well-founded.
Yes, the old strategy of overwhelming the hospital system with mouth breathers.
Amazing strategy, Raisinhead.
I consider him more of an apple head.
Pretty sure I stole this one from here on Lemmy.
Better than the one I stole from Lemmy
You mean Luke McGarry?
Hey now, my nose is always stuffy. That has nothing to do with my great stupidity.
Hospitals should be able to refuse patients who get diseases that are preventable with vaccines. Problem solved.
No. For multiple reasons:
- Vaccines are not 100% effective. They reduce the likelihood of infection if you are exposed. The whole point of trying to get everyone vaccinated is to reduce the infection rate so that there’s less likely to be an outbreak. With a vaccinated population, the virus can’t spread fast enough to maintain a pool of infected people to keep spreading it. But that doesn’t mean nobody gets sick.
- Vaccines are not as effective on some people. There’s a range of effectiveness.
- Not everyone can get vaccinated. People with certain allergies or compromised immune systems in particular.
- Some parts of the population have higher risk factors than others and when they get sick it can be much more serious. Usually the very old and the very young. And again, people with compromised immune systems, or other conditions that complicate the illness.
- Kids whose parents refuse to get them vaccinated are put at elevated risk through no fault of their own.
I could probably keep going, but hopefully you get the idea why that’s just not a viable approach.
Everybody who gets vaccinated is documented as having gotten vaccinated, no?
So why can’t hospitals check the record and confirm that patients have been vaccinated? If they have, then everything’s fine. If they couldn’t get vaccinated for legitimate reasons, that’d be documented too.
The point is to ensure as many people are vaccinated as possible, not to prove a point about the efficacy of vaccines.
That said, I dislike the idea of healthcare being able to pick and choose, for any reason, not to treat someone. Then again I live in a sane country with free healthcare.
That said, I dislike the idea of healthcare being able to pick and choose, for any reason, not to treat someone.
This is exactly the problem. Once you start talking about who does and does not deserve healthcare, you’ve gone to a place I refuse to follow. There is far too much nuance to start drawing lines in the sand.
If they have the vaccine and it doesn’t work, then fine. But if they refuse it without being one of the small groups of people with a diagnosed and documented reason to not get it, then they should stay home and tough it out.
It’s such a bizarrely American view to restrict people’s access to healthcare… I guess the US will never get free healthcare if healthcare is still seen as a privilege and not a right.
That’s unfortunately an extremely slippery slope.
If vaccines (or lack thereof) are enough to refuse “service”, why treat lung cancer in smokers? What about type 2 diabetes?
According to this study, smoking costs our economy ~0.88% of our GDP. That works out to in the ballpark of $600 per capita. Would you change your opinion if you had $600 sitting in front of you? I disagree that it’s a slippery slope, anti-vax, smokers, and overeaters cost a lot of money, and the rest of us foot the bill.
And what about my wife? She’s allergic to the measles vaccination.
That seems different than a refusal, no? That seems more like a medical incompatibility.
People use bullshit excuses all the time to avoid getting their kids vaccinated, including “allergies”.
“Allergies” are medically provable. Bullshit reasons are stuff like “sky daddy told me I don’t hafta” and “the govmint can’t 5g me”
That’s a contrarian question, of course there would be loopholes for that.
I assume it would be documented and considered an exception
She lost the documentation years ago. We’re almost 40.
You can either get the documentation reprinted, or get tested, no?
Prove it
And that right there is why your argument is complete bullshit.
How does she know?
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, exactly. You’re making it up.
Then she is also allergic to measles, because all it is is weakened measles itself.
They perhaps don’t need to. The staff in hospitals only got a few token coins as reward for the previous pandemic, and didn’t get much raise or better working conditions since then. People are already walking away because overworked and underpaid. It’s likely a lot of them just quit when a new pandemic would start and the hospitals can barely function.
Nurses at the hospital my spouse works for get like 160k for a regular floor nurse working a day time shift. So, I dunno about them being paid “tokens” whomever told you that probably isn’t a nurse. Of course, the rate varies by city. Do they still have nurses in red states?
nurses can earn bank depending where they are, travelling nurses can make bank from what ive heard. i think doctors can make alot in some red states, depending on the specialty.
apparently its more contagious than most viruses, they will probably to try to prevent them from going into the hospital
They’ll definitely want to put them in no contact rooms, but it’s not like those rooms are plentiful.
and ANti-maskers, distance, and vaxxer will throw a huge fit and fight the staff, like they did with covid, causing many to leave the industry.
I’ve actually met more anti-vax nurses than anti-vax non-nurses. Had one who was wearing a mask complain about being forced to wear a mask because she had not been vaccinated for ANYTHING! Jfc. I’m sure this is not the majority, but it’s pretty shocking how many medical professionals know squat about medicine.
i forgot how many nurses slip through the cracks. some areas, red states will waive certain parts of becoming a nurse because its such a big shortage, while others have more stringent regulations. nurses are the ones that assume they know everything because they got a a nursing degree.
It got pretty crazy when Covid hit and they just shoved nurses through the program. A lot of them got out and immediately made Covid bank, didn’t have to work, and are now freaking out that pay has gone back to normal, and people now have time to audit their performance. It is a pretty shitty situation for them though, hardly any of them got trained on the things they never got to learn in school. I heard one nurse managed to go two solid years without having to do an IV cause they never learned.
The dems really need to appoint a shadow cabinet and hold press conferences with fact checks and useful advice about how to get vaccinated.
I’m glad that I am science literate and live close to the canadian border.
Roald Dahl’s wight, kill this man.
a goauld symbiote ate his brain.
This is far more plausible than I’m comfortable with.
“Dont trust the medical institutions until you’re sick” is just the self-harm logical extension version of the plague of right-wing myopia of broke self-reliance americanism and detriment individualism. American culture is completely unsalvageable
We did that, we gave everyone a very mild, usually symptomless, case of the measles. We called it vaccination.
At what point do we get to demand hazard pay from our employers for going into the office?
He’s so gross.
That would remove a lot of vaccine skepticism
Never fail to underestimate how much failures cause people to become more dug in than realize something is off.
I remember in the early 2000s atheist sites would often pose questions about how believers could continue to believe when natural disasters and disease go rampant.
The facts? Natural disasters, when they happen to believers, make them MORE entrenched in their beliefs and not less.
Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
Brainworms like measles.
