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  • Earth system scientists put the kind of society complex enough for hospitals and higher education require an energy returned on energy invested in the teens. ‘Renewables’ (let’s call them low carbon, there isn’t anything very renewable about the blade of a wind turbine) barely touch that and often don’t get near.

    • The picture is so varied that one can find statistics to counter this ‘barely touches the teens’ claim. Look at the totality of the picture and draw your own conclusions. I am just presenting some reasoning to justify a claim that we are heading towards a much lower energy future, maybe next century or something (which doesn’t have to be bad, provided everybody isn’t slaving for a class of energy-obese billionaires protected by a fascist police state).

    • I looked into this a lot about 15 years ago, when it seemed that we were still in the last chance saloon on avoiding catastrophic climate change. The science might have moved on. I don’t have current sources anybody interested in the concept of eroei and the complexity it creates will have to look themselves.



  • As I said. This individual simply cannot tolerate a different reading of the pro-corporate, anti-diversity EU so they immediately resort to vulgar insult.

    Believe it or not it suits me personally, on the most cynical level - free movement etc - to be in the EU. It just happens that I grew up with people who have been hammered by EU membership, and who voted heavily against it. I abstained because I won’t vote against the interests of the people I grew up with.

    What I said about reform is absolutely on the cards anyway, forcing a rejoining of the EU on people who voted against it greatly hastens their rise. This is something I don’t want to see. EU citizens don’t seem able to bend, and when you don’t bend you break.

    Anyway. Block it is.


  • There is literally zero chance of the British accepting the Euro. It has disaster baked into it.

    The Maastricht treaty defined that you lose the right to 1. run budsget deficits in periods of economic contraction. 2. Set interest rates. 3. Devalu your currency when necessary.

    Greece got to borrow at rates Germany enjoy - for a while. Germany gets a hugely devalued currency which actually allows it to be a great exporter (well that and the US post WW2 investment).

    This inequality in peripheral countries absolutely drives the rise of the far right.

    Other than that |the British people don’t want to be in the EU. Being forced into it will put Reform UK into power. They are as Russia aligned as Trump.


  • Edit - I know most poeople will not be able to cope with this reading of the EU and will not change their mind in any way. When presented with a fact that does not match the reality one has (co-)constructed one has to reject the fact, because one cannot reject reality. So I am happy to agree to disagree, I won’t reply further in this thread, I will just block. And you can downvote this, but you can’t downvote reality away. If only you could, eh!?

    The UK political classes ignoring the brexit vote, and rejoining the EU gets Reform UK into power. Who will leave the EU, and are as aligned with Russia as Trump is.

    The likes of the bbc framed the brexit debate as a choice between ‘liberalism’ and something xenophobic, which is not why the vast majority of people wanted out of the EU, and omitted the stories of the majority who had very good reason to be unhappy with the EU.

    The EU is pro corporatism, anti diversity (why have one set of rules for all of Europe, written by corporate lobbyists in Brussels? What is right for the majority of UK citizens, is not right for the Irish, What is right for Germans is not right for Greeks. etc etc etc. Europe has a wonderfully diverse culture, one set of homogenised rules written by corporate lobbbyists is not right and never will be. Brexit is about the right to self-determinism and autonomy.

    The EU was an American idea. They wanted a bulwark against the Soviet Union in Europe. We are in a very different world now.

    If the EU wants a Russia aligned nuclear power on their Western side within a decade they push for the UK to rejoin. Th EU ere disgusting in their dealing with the UK post brexit. To expect or demand further concession shows just how hopelessly mislead EU citizens are.









  • Unfortunately for you, and all of us, there is an increasing tranche of poor people who are directly suffering because of immigration.

    We ignore these people at our peril because they will vote for the Trumpists if nobody else is representing their interests.

    The middle classes enjoyed the benefits of cheap labour, in particular, but those who had their pay and conditions destroyed are not going to vote to be turkeys at somebody else’s christmas party.