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you know, I’m begining to think this whole “readiness” idea is completely arbitrary. The same people who today complain about linux’s supposed difficulty, were just fine using their home micro-computer in the 80’s. If you ask me, the only people who are defining what “ready” means, is Microsoft’s marketing department.
I’ve used Linux for 25 years now and I remember every time when back then people needed help with windows it was always "go to the registry editor and add the key djrgegfbwkgisgktkwbthagnsfidjgnwhtjrtv in position god-knows-where to fix some stupid windows shit. that, apparently, made windows user ready
On Linux I’d have to edit an English language file and add an English word and that meant it wasn’t user ready
Yeah, Linux was ready long ago
Right, that’s the reason alright, lol. Remember dconf on Gn*me? It’s like registry on windows, but worse.
No, Linux is still not ready for desktop, and it has nothing to do with this fallacy of yours.
Since when is Linux = Gnome?
How was the gnome registry some how worse? Microsoft didn’t even have a document that could describe how theirs worked, much less an organizational structure. At least Gnomes was basically simple words and categories. And they built a settings manager for it too.
Not that I use gnome much, but still this is silly.
I know this is linuxmemes, but if you want a serious answer, I can provide, lol. It’s worse because it is an amateurish attempt at recreating windows like registry (like most things Gn*me lol).
boring technical details
Let’s start from the top:
Microsoft didn’t even have a document that could describe how theirs worked
Oh, really, I remember reading enormous amounts of info on MSDN describing how the internal registry hives work in 1998 (yes, I am that old lol) Also, there were/are excellent books on the topic, i.e. “Windows Internals” by Mark Russinovich. Can you tell me where I can find more info on how dconf works, what about dconf internal structure and organization? I don’t want to read the source code.
At least Gnomes was basically simple words and categories
Right, can you tell me what this dconf dump is about:
[org/gnome/nm-applet/eap/fea8b3cc-21a2-4a3d-a3bb-72b7459247b7] check-time=uint32 1742505110And they built a settings manager for it too
You mean like simplified UI for poor man’s regedit?
Windows registry is horribly over-engineered very very high performance binary database (dconf is a Gvariant binary db also, lol) deeply integrated within the NT kernel and overall system, it supports access virtualization, transparent path override, robust ACLs, and more. IMO, M$’ biggest mistake was allowing 3rd party access to the hive in the early days. Then backwards compatibility kicked in and the rest is history.
Don’t get me wrong it sucks, massively, but this attempt of Gn*me/freedesktop INI db is a joke, like the OP’s argument
I couldnt use linux on my laptop 15 years ago because suspend never seemed to work. Just tried it again last week on my generic desktop, suspend still not working. So ya linux has come a long way. Still cant use it.
Wifi on resume is the bane of my existence. If I close my lid I just have my laptop restart. Mint.
An HP by any chance? These don’t handle suspend well and you need to add a parameter or three at boot via grub (or systemd too). Otherwise the system gets tied up filling the log endlessly with rapidly cycling pcie errors and you end up crashing or frozen pretty quickly. If this might be your problem, see
And
https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/yh3nkw/freezing_issue_finally_solved_here_is_how/
Where there’s a problem there’s usually a solution, you just might need to root around the web for answers.
Where there’s a problem there’s usually a solution, you just might need to root around the web for answers.
Thats a huge problem for linux, average users are never going to do that. But as a long time linux user myself I have been trying to find solution to the suspend problem for a long time and I still cant find one. So Id say its a big problem.
Linux programmers have been battling Microsoft and its shady deals with hardware vendors for decades. That’s the real problem. Just when something starts working too well, MS changes things up, dictates changes to hardware, and then that breaks it for Linux, so it’s back to the old IDE with new hardware to figure out how to get around it. Or the hardware folk just don’t consider Linux a viable alternative and just happily make sure only Winders runs well.
Suspend doesn’t really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to ‘suspend’, I’ve learned it’s just as fast to power down/up on Linux.
Suspend doesn’t really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to ‘suspend’
Well, whether computers were ‘meant’ to suspend is beside the point, windows made it work somehow but so far linux has not, and Id call it a required for most users. Without that feature working reliably, I can’t personally make the switch even though I want to.
The functionality is already there and sure, it could be made more user-friendly. But that requires a lot of invested time and money, which can be pretty lacking in the open source space. If the Linux developers had Microsoft resources then Windows would be long dead.
Maybe try a better distro if you can’t confuigure the one you use? I haven’t had problems on Arch after setting it up properly.
As another Linux user with over 2 decades of Linux as my primary, it sounds like that might be a your laptop problem.
it sounds like that might be a your laptop problem
All the laptops Ive ever tried and all the desktops including my current one which is a very generic Ryzen 7? None of them have ever suspended reliably, thats for sure a linux problem. Without that feature, I cannot switch to it as my daily. Its relegated to server only for me sadly.
The funny thing is, every laptop I have does suspend without issue. I think for a brief period in 2014 I had a problem with a Zen book, but it got fixed.
As of today, in this office right next to me now: A chromebook, an HP and a Dell. All 100% linux laptops, all suspend. I did not have to do anything to make that work, it just did.
I always avoid Ubuntu, for whatever that’s worth.
Actually there is one funny thing: I picked up a laptop with Windows on it for a user going to a conference. It will not suspend. When you close the lid the fan just goes full blast and it is a space heater. We re-imaged it and it still does it. We just power it off now. It is a dell.
You can’t install macOS on any PC you like either, is it not ready as well?
You can’t install macOS on any PC you like either
I dont understand your question…
Linux works incredibly well, if used on proper hardware
Lol, if I had a buck for every time a user came to me because Windows got stuck in Suspend and needed a hard reset, I’d retire.
If Suspend is your ‘‘must have feature’’, then I’ve got bad news for you.
30 years Ive never seen windows fail to suspend… coming back from suspend ya I have seen a few errors in 30 years, not many.
Fair, I’ve never seen it fail to suspend.
Coming back from suspend though, seen countless times across countless computers during my time supporting both consumer devices and working in help desks. Probably in the top 5 issues I deal with.
But hey, that’s just anecdotal evidence at the end of the day.
Though a quick search will bring up no end of pages of people asking for help cuz windows keeps getting stuck when waking up or they think their computer is broken only for a hard restart to fix it. So while I don’t have hard data, it’s obviously not an isolated issue.
Implying suspend works on Windows either. I’ve got like a 50/50 chance my monitor connected with DisplayPort actually gets signal after waking on Windows. This shit has been a problem for a long time.
Ive been using windows 30 years and linux for 20, Ive never seen windows fail at suspending on any system in that time. Linux on the other hand Ive never seen it reliably suspend on any system. Dont get me wrong I want to use linux at home very badly, but none of the fixes I have looked into have solved the problem. Its a 100% required feature for me.
I had to implement a GPO to disable suspend on windows 10 AND 11 for everyone at my company equipped with HP zbook laptops because it was requiring a hard reset every… Single… Time.
No amount of bios upgrade ever fixed the issue.
Linux is ready, but not the professional software devs. Literally only thing stopping me from fully switching
People who are like this today, tried to install red hat 5/6 using popular mechanics magazine as an instruction booklet and with floppy disks
Either that or they tried to install Open BSD once and survived: https://xkcd.com/349/
By all standards, a completely understandable outcome
I don’t think Windows, Mac, Android, iOS, whatever is “ready yet” either. operating systems are always in development. There are things I can do on my linux machine that I can’t do on my windows machine, and vice versa.
It like the endless and useless fight between Android and iOS fan boys, it’s much simpler than that, you use what you like/comfortable with, you don’t need to convince anyone how right you are and how wrong they are, never really understood this weird behaviour from supposedly well educated people. You enjoy Linux, good for you , you like windows, kodus, you’re mac person have at it .
Yesterday a guy was mad about that why everything has to go through his igpu and why not directlg through dgpu then I told bro that hdmi or anyother port on your laptop doesn’t use your dgpu then he understood.
Ship laptops with LM and people will stray on Linux. Some might switch due to windows OS locked apps like ms365 but for most watching YouTube and maybe managing photos is all they do.
I run dual boot and honestly, if only all things which run on windows would run on Linux without tribal shamanism rituals, is never ever had to switch. But my favorite DAW is not running Linux. My occasionally useful editing software is not there (but kdenlive is cool tho). My very specific apps for games are not running native or at all.
When I’m not using these, I just flip a switch and run DAS with Bazzite. And I love it. But you just can’t substitute everything windows offers. It is a gaming and working software OS after all.
It is in mixed states of ready. Each distro has something it’s ready for and something it isn’t. It’d be nice if all the ready parts were in a single distro, but that’s an XKCD 927 issue. I am hopeful that Valve puts thought and effort into making SteamOS a solid desktop on top of a solid gaming platform.
But it’s not ready because insert niche use case that only applies to me and no, I will not seek out open source alternatives to insert closed source software
Yes, that’s exactly me. I need to use creative cloud for the company where I work. If I deviate it fucks everyone and the entire workflow. But I don’t really think CC is niche. The moment they support linux, I’m switching
Tbf (and you seem to already be aware of this) that’s not really an issue with Linux. Lots of software devs don’t care about supporting Linux sadly.
Like he said its not lacking on anything is just that you cant use your needed program. And its fine to stay on windows.
I’ve been living with Fedora Silverblue for the past month or two and loving it, except for the fact there is no true good alternative to ShareX (FOSS but on Windows only) for taking screenshots, video clips, audio clips, and having easily configurable hot key galore. Is Wine + Share X a good/viable alternative? Cause Flameshot is very rudimentary compared to it.
I use ShareX for sentence mining when I consume Japanese media for easy Anki flashcard creation.
CAD 😭 Yes I’ve tried FreeCAD
What’s wrong with freecad? I use it all the time.
It simply is too buggy and crashes too often for complex assemblies and professional work. Especially if the rest of your company uses SolidWorks or similar where FreeCAD can’t export to the format
When time isn’t money, it’s fine and is only sometimes frustrating nowadays.
This was me, to an extent. At least with regards to gaming.
The main problem still is that for some configuration you still need to use the CLI, the average user does not want to touch that no matter how powerful it is, they want a fully functional GUI that lets you so exactly the same thing but by clicking on buttons. Pair that with drivers that either do not exist or will not work for (some) of your hardware, odd crashed like the Bluetooth stack crapping out and not working anymore until you restart the system, or the system that hangs from hibernation with a black screen. So unless those hurdles are tackled the Linux adoption rate will stay low because the average user wants a system that works, and not one they have to debug.
I’ve been on and off different distros of Linux since Ubuntu 6 using Pop_OS! as my daily driver for work a few years now, and the same problems I had then are still here today which is a shame honestly.
The main problem still is that for some configuration you still need to use the CLI, the average user does not want to touch that no matter how powerful it is,
At this point this is just misinformation… you can easily live and configure everything an “average user” would via GUI in Ubuntu (and most of it’s derivatives) or anything running KDE Plasma as a desktop
The reason must of us still CHOOSE to use CLI is because it’s powerful but unless you are crazy as I am and running Hyprland as a daily driver, you really do not need CLI…
PS: I fucking love Hyprland! hehehehe
the average user does not want
The average user wants their problem gone. And will use whatever helps. Windows users were editing register and editing ini files since Windows was an addon to DOS, and continue doing it. For a literate person there is absolutely nothing more inheritly more intuitive or easy in clicking a checkbox in a fifth submenu than entering a command in a console. Stop perpetuating this weird myth.
This is correct. I work with the “average user” of technology daily as IT support, and honestly, they don’t give any shits at all about why it’s messed up, or what needs to be done to correct the problem. Box broken, make fix.
The argument that I think the poster is trying to make is that, if a user needs to do any self troubleshooting, which is basically inevitable with technology at the moment, having to use a CLI to get things done is undesirable for the average person. They barely want to bother opening control panel in Windows (or the new “settings” app… Ugh.) nevermind understand any of it.
Box broken. Make fix.
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It’s not a myth though. How do you know what to type in a CLI? You either google it or you read the man pages and god help you if you have to do that because they are not noob accessible documents. What do you do in a GUi? You either google it or you read plain words that are low in technical information on the screen in the menu labeled after what you want to change. GUIs exist for a reason. They brought in the masses for a reason. Pretending that they aren’t easier is a demonstrably wrong position.
How do you know what to type in a CLI
The same way you know where the setting you’re after located. As my little experiment showed it’s not obvious if your problem isn’t trivial. And if it’s trivial, you can be sure it’s trivial on every modern OS.
If you spend a fraction of time you spent learning your GUI on learning the set of commands you have, it will be very easy for you. There is autocomplete and there are various helps, and there are conventions a lot of the software follows. If you’re literate, it’s fine.It’s funny you listing out that experiment, because that’s more akin to the bullshit I run into with Linux when I need to fix some weird ass quirk. Tons if incorrect or outdated information, and forum assholes calling people idiots for not knowing and refusing to help or being autistically pedantic because you misspelled something. Support on either platform is a garbage experience. I haven’t denied that at all.
It’s a curse of the tech world. There are always some bullshit problems, there is always the need for tuning, tinkering, and generally fucking around with your system. No matter the OS, you will encounter some non-trivial problem at some point, that’s just the price of complexity. At least Linux is made for that and is opensource.
GUIs exist for a reason.
What is that reason? To obfuscate what is really happening? To make it difficult to support a computer because it takes 20 pages of pictures and a flow chart to explain something when a person could just copy paste a single line? I don’t buy that gui’s are easier or intuitive, or all that useful every time.
I don’t see any difference
googlingusing a decent search engine for one over the other.And lets not forget that windows is a confusing mess of self help support pages and command line entries for almost everything that goes wrong.
Windows: “PROGRAM_NAME experienced an error: DEEZ_NUTZ”
Yep that’s what we’re calling a useful error prompt these days. So much better than Linux lol
“I’m sowwy, something went wrong :(”. No logs, no error message, no nothing.
God I hate it so much.
You can definitely have your opinion. But seeing how so many people have a hard time switching to Linux because of this particular issue, I’d say your position on the subject is quesionable. There are hordes more people on Windows and Mac because they made things easier through accessible software. A large part of that was the GUI.
Most people I know that are on Windows are there for two reasons: they either have no idea what they’re doing, they bought a laptop that had Windows on it already, they have a flowchart of buttons to press to achieve results, and when interface changes, they are in panic and I need to come to them to make a new flowchart. Or they’re using Windows for the last two decades, never tried anything else, and know about Linux from random comments on the internet that scare them into believing that evil Linux is completely incomprehensible.
My wife is an English teacher. When we got her a new laptop, instead of buying Windows, I installed Arch (I use Arch btw), which is wildly considered the most evil of the evil Linuxes, and believe it or not, she is completely happy with it (well, as happy as one can be using a computer). The amount of times she needs my help with some random bullshit OS throws at her decreased since she learned a bit about how stuff works. Even using terminal to input some commands turned out not to require wast amount of knowledge like some people imply.There are hordes more people on Windows and Mac
Because it came with their computer. I have not used a command line at all on two laptops over the past year. It is the exception not the rule these days.
However I have had to use the command line many, many times with Windows. Which is fine, it is MUCH easier to do this “Set-ExecutionPolicy -Scope CurrentUser -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted” instead of trying to find the gui to deal with it.
That example just proves my point further. No average joe is going to alter the execution policy because they aren’t running unsigned powershell scripts. They just want their applications to install and work. They don’t want to debug shit. You being fine doing all that is great but other people don’t want to mess with it and won’t.
Half the time instead of downloading and running an executable that works with nearly all versions of their OS, they have to figure out which os flavor they have since it’s not just “Linux” it’s Debian, Red Hat, Arch, Kali, Suse, CentOS, Mint, Pop, Ubuntu, etc. and then does it need to be compatible with gnome or kde or something else, then is the configuration even a supported option, oh wait it only supports versions newer than 5 years where anything older will fail, or only till 5 years ago and anything newer will fail. Or the one project that solved the issue stopped developing it 10 years prior and no longer works. Or there just plain isn’t a native app so now you have to try and find an alternative way to connect to a service you pay for that has an equivalent feature set and price.
Linux is a fractured mess overall. It is not user friendly. It is not out of the box ready. It’s a great option for someone technical that wants to type shit in a terminal. And it’s a bad option for anyone that doesn’t want to figure out what the magic words are that took the place of their double click.
My example wasn’t literal, I have had to do similar things for drivers, sound, USB, search etc. And windows support is just randos telling you what they think might work.
As to your second point, the sane applies as windows is a collection of who knows that the hell software and random hardware. Which hardware? What driver? What vendor?
It’s not a weird myth, have you ever worked with average users? Some of them have trouble opening a PDF or don’t know how to import a CVS file in Excel. Power users have always been tinkering in their OS that’s nothing new, but I’m talking about the average Joe.
People you described don’t have better or worse time with different types of user interfaces, it’s all incomprehensible to them. Average Joe with zero skills can’t check boxes in some weird menus, just as they can’t write text in a weird black box. We’re talking about people who are at least a little curious about their OS.
I don’t know if I agree with entirely. A good UI lets you configure your system without knowing much about it. E.g. if you want to change Ubuntu’s Wi-Fi power save setting you edit a hidden text file (I don’t remember where it is off of the top of my head.) I didn’t even know that this file existed without a helpful AskUbuntu thread and that editing it would greatly speed up my connection. If a UI option existed, I would probably have found it while poking around the network settings screen.
That’s what a good UI does: it lets you mess with your system without need for a help forum or leafing through documentation. You can look at where settings are supposed to be, find what you’re looking for, and even explore new settings that you don’t know about.
Oh hey, let’s run an experiment then. I’m not a Windows poweruser, but I have an access to it. Let’s see, in almost real time, how long it will take me to find how to change Wi-Fi power save setting (I don’t know what it is, so very fair this way).
Well, it’s a setting, so let’s go where settings are. I go to a big menu, find settings in it, assume wifi is in network settings, go there, find wifi setting. Read through all the menus. Nothing. I’m 5 menus deep, and there is “more adapter options button”. It asks an admin password, so let’s give it to it. Completely different window opens, one that I saw all those years ago in Windows XP. It’s called wifi 3 properties. It doesn’t render properly on my monitor, the text is blurry, but we’re not in “googling shit” territory yet so I power through. (later I found out that it’s normal, this menu was constructed when 640x480 was considered high def resolution, and it struggles with modern screens). In this menu there is 12 rows of something, I don’t know what QoS Packet Scheduler means or what Client For Windows does. Let’s press configure on this one. That menu closes, it asks ominous question, and new one opens. It assures me that the device is working properly, and in advanced tab there is 24 different settings I can change. Settings like “Fat Channel Intollerant” (It is disabled. I don’t know if it’s good or bad), or Human Presence Detection (it’s auto. I assume it’s something related to the upcoming robot uprising). There is no help, there is no explanation, I lost count how deep I am, it’s more than 10. I’m like half an hour in, probably. I checked all the available settings. I forgot what I’m looking for and had to re-read your comment to remind myself. But at least I don’t have to edit a text file, amirite?
Ok, fuck it, let’s google. First link.- Right-click the. …
- Select Power Options.
- Select Additional power settings.
I cry for a minute, click the link, the list isn’t there. I still don’t know what to click, and the link is about Intel. Is my wifi adapter made by intel? Do I need to know it? Let’s google further.
Stack overflow.Start > Search > Device Manager > Networks Adapters > Double Click yours > Power Management Tab > uncheck: Turn this device off to save power
Click yours. So I do need to know it. OK, let’s do that. I should’ve guessed that you don’t find setting in settings, it’s intuitive after all.
It looks like one of the menus that I saw already, but it’s not, it’s different one. It once again assures me that the device is working properly. There is no settings. There is no Power Management Tab. Let’s google that then.
Mycrosoft forums.Why is the power management tab missing?
Good day! I’m John Dev a Windows user like you and I’ll be happy to assist you today. I know this has been difficult for you, Rest assured, I’m going to do my best to help you. When was the last time it worked properly?
Please check and try Rbotero’s solution in the older thread in the link below if it helps. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/for…
Kindly let me know if this helps or if you have any further concerns.
Hi, I’m Robinson, an Independent Advisor and a Windows user like you. Install the latest driver 22.20.0 released yesterday. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/130293
Note: This is a non-Microsoft website. The page appears to be providing accurate, safe information. Watch out for ads on the site that may advertise products frequently classified as a PUP (Potentially Unwanted Products).
Well, the answer is 4 years old. My drivers are up to date, so that doesn’t help. Let’s dig further. Another post on the Microsoft forums.
Another post said to go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power in regedit, where I had to create a new DWORD called CsEnabled and set the value to 0, and restart, but that did not work. How do I fix this?
Damn, I am sure glad I don’t have to edit any text files, that would be unintuitive as fuck. Anyway, let’s open regedit and create some new DWORDs, shall we? That would not be a problem, regedit is easy and intuitive program that allows very easy way to intuitively do anything.
Anyway, it didn’t help. Turns out it stopped helping at some point. Further in the Microsoft forums people offering helping powershell scripts that I need to run in Elevated Powershell to do…something, I assume? It changes some register keys, it’s not obvious what.At this point, I give up. I am easily hour in, I don’t know how to change wifi power safe setting in Windows, and I am afraid I will never know. Sure glad I didn’t have to edit one symbol in a text file the name of which is easily googlable.
You have so thoroughly captured the Windows experience. Bravo!
Well the comparison I’d draw is not even needing to worry about that kind of thing on Windows. I went from getting about 200 to 300 Mbps on Windows without doing anything besides connecting to a network to getting 10 to 30 Mbps on Pop!_OS and Linux Mint (Before fixing this issue.)
The strength of Windows is not easy access to more settings (especially after they split the setting between the new settings app and the old control panel), it’s not needing to access most of them in the first place. That will vary between users and use cases of course. Some people moved to Linux well before the enshittificafion of Windows got really bad because it suits their needs better.
Well, that’s moving the goalpost, isn’t it? We started with “Linux bad because reading hard” and “Windows good because mouse click boxes easy” and now we’re in “windows is just works, no need to change anything”.
Well guess what, this is also not true, you do constantly need to fiddle with Windows, it’s just sometimes you can’t edit what you need, and you’re out of luck.
Next time, try OpenSuse
No terminal required.
I’d argue that as Windows continues to abandon its (relatively) sane configuration UI for the newer useless Settings screens, it has reached the point where it really is sometimes easier to just look up what you need to do in Powershell.
This problem is only getting worse over time, so I don’t think it’s fair to hand the win to Windows.
I dont know wtf you are using, KDE and Gnome dont use the terminal and Bluetooth has never crashed for me. Your shit is all fucked up
IMO, this is a demonstration of the problem. You’re blaming the poster/their equipment. Rather than any real solution to the problem the defacto answer is “well, it works for me so what’s wrong with you?”
I’ve never heard this kind of toxicity from other communities (like the apple/Windows crowds). Often you’ll get useful answers indicating what to check or pointing to another resource. There’s always the chance that the hardware is busted, but let’s face it, in the modern era, that’s far less likely to happen now than it was even 10 years ago.
Immediately blaming the user for their issue isn’t going to solve the problem, nor does it endear any average user to the Linux community or the Linux OS. This attitude is not going to help adoption even if the posters concerns are invalidated by newer/better drivers/software, and all they need to do is update, and/or try again.
This kind of statement actively harms Linux adoption.
Sorry I meant to say I dont even remember how many years ago I saw anyone with Bluetooth problems. Look how you conveniently ignore the fact Kde and Gome dont use the terminal contrary to what you had stated. Your shit is all fucked up.
Bitch please.
Just try to install a program that isn’t in the repo without dropping to the CLI.
I dare you, I double dare you.
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/03/ubuntu-2404-bluetooth-connect-fix Bluetooth issues are still a present problem in Ubuntu 24.04LTS, which appear to be fixed in 24.10. If I want to restart the Bluetooth stack I have to do that in the terminal, on Windows, you go to the services window and restart it from there (not that I’ve ever had a Bluetooth issue on Windows). Just because you don’t experience it does not mean it does not exist, you appear to be one of those toxic it works on my machine people.
Ubuntu
There is your problem. I know I am being snarky but i have had several discussions over the last few days about how Ubuntu has always been a problem for me since it came out. It is kind of nice to see another example.
As an aside: On my old windows laptop, the wireless was crippled to half speed/ half features because it was not the “pro” wireless version. Turns out that in Linux is ran flawlessly and fast because it wasn’t being crippled artificially by the drivers. I have seen a lot of that over the years, including Bluetooth not working correctly in windows. There is a wide variety of hardware, and a wide variety of support of that hardware in both windows and linux communities.
It’s a brand new (one year old now) Thinkpad X1 Carbon, with a clean installed Pop_OS! system, so I don’t know why it does that, but it has done it at least ten times since I got it. Also after installing VirtualBox I’ve been have kernel panics occasionally when shutting down the system ¯\(ツ)/¯
There are also just a lot of personalization options that just aren’t there, particularly for power-lite users, because Linix power users use the terminal for everything.
Like, heaven forbid you want a full featured, advanced file manager or something, but aren’t interested in learning bash scripting…
you want a full featured, advanced file manager or something
Which means you are shit out of luck in windows, but comes by default in Plasma. Go figure.
Windows File Manager is superior to any linux file manager I’ve tried. I have tried switching to Linux many times and it’s really great, except the damn file managers, which always ends with me switching back to Windows. I just ended my last run with Linux Mint as my daily driver for 3 months. I really enjoyed it and had it configured just the way I wanted. But the file manager(s) just isn’t mature enough, so I caved in, again, and moved back to Windows. Oh well, maybe next time will be the one.
You can’t be serious? People buy other file managers because the Windows one sucks so bad. I would know, I purchase our software.
I’m not saying windows file manager is perfect and there isn’t better alternatives. But for my work flow, I haven’t found any linux file manager that fits the bill.
What file manager are you using, and what features does it have that makes it the right fit for you?
You have to be joking right? Windows file manager is one of the worst.
Lets see: Windows 11 finally got tabs. About time after we have had them for I don’t even remember how long.
- Where is split view so I can have side by side comparison?
- Where is greenbar highlighting so I know at a glance seperation of each row?
- Where is the terminal emulator panel if I want to run a command?
- Why is the right click menu so damn shitty and not have a quarter of the useful functions? And decent customization?
- Can I tag rate and comment directly on files?
- Lets not forget batch renaming.
- Windows has no integration with other services out of the box, and the add ons are a mess.
Here is one that drive me absolutely up the wall with windows: why can I not see the amount of free space on the drive I am working on?
It is in the right corner in my file manager. Click again and it will tell me the free space of all the partitions. Click again and I can open filelight. It is displayed in gigs AND in a graphical at a glance line.
I put up with windows file manager, but it is quite possibly the worst one I can think of. What feature are you missing?
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I guess we have very different work flows. All the things you mention are things I have no use for and I absolutely despise split view. :)
What I miss the most is a quick overview of all my drives and mounted network drives, showing disk size and usage. I also miss to be able to right-click drag and drop and then choose if I want to copy or move. Network management! Being able add a network drive with a few clicks and mount it permanently if needed.
A quick overview of all the drives and mounted drives? That is in the left panel for me, with device sizes. Right click to copy or move? We have that too.
Mount a drive? That one is interesting because of the underlying os. You can open a local network share, right click and add it to the left panel. It will then be available anytime you want to work with it. You can also add foreign shares, such as SFTP which I do not think windows can do.
This one though: showing disk size and usage which you CAN do in Dolphin, I do not think is part of windows natively. What settings do you do to show those?
For showing disk size+usage, you can just go to the “My Computer” tab. It even shows size and usage for networked drives that support it. The rest of your criticisms are pretty valid though.
Not Right click to copy or move. Right-click-drag-and-drop. In windows, when you left-click on a file and drag-and-drop, the default action applys, which is move if it’s to the same drive. Or copy if it’s to a different drive. Right-click-drag-and-drop gives you the option to copy, move or extract to the drop location.
You can open a local network share, right click and add it to the left panel. It will then be available anytime you want to work with it.
Will it be available after a reboot? Because I haven’t been able to do that without adding it to fstab or using extra software, like gigolo.
Showing disk size and usage is very native in windows. Can you get something simular with Dolphin?
Are you truly saying personalization is not there on linux but Windows has it? LoL
I’m pretty sure they’re saying that customization, while present in Linux, is not accessible to most because of a lack of GUI options to configure a nontrivial number of the customization settings.
As a long-time Linux user who had to dive into the Windows world after taking an admin job, this is such a bizarre thing to hear. So many how-to articles that I found to make a change to user-level Windows settings start with opening the Registry Editor. Technically, that’s a GUI program, but still a major challenge for the average user. On the admin side, the documentation and how-to articles are dominated by PowerShell scripts, because Microsoft has embraced the command line.
@MystikIncarnate @_carmin try different DE like TDE, XFCE, KDE
KDE can configure more things than there are atoms in this world. And All other DE are way more advanced than windows all through the GUI. So their point remains garbage
Let’s be real. Most people can’t really use Windows, either. Anything harder than clicking the Chrome icon is beyond most users.
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Ooofty doofty.
When is the last time you checked?
Windows XP 😭
Oh man I’m way behind at Winders 3.1, better stick with Linux!
The average ‘advanced’ window user: CLI is scary!
Also the average ‘advanced’ windows user: if you open regedit and add this DWORD entry to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Microsoft/application/windows/something, then you can stop Microsoft from screwing you, but it’ll revert after each update so you gotta keep fixing it
Before I bought a Steam Deck I had never used Linux but now I really like it, honestly I’m tempted to install SteamOS on my PC as it’s only ever used for gaming anyway
Go for Bazzite. It’s basically Steam OS but with extra stuff that makes it “just work”, even on an Nvidia GPU.
Once Valve releases their official Steam OS, you can always switch to it.
Then Bazzite might be interesting for you too as SteamOS is from what i got more specialised for handheld
Steam OS, it’s not released to the public yet, but I know others waiting for it too.
