Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.
That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now… ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?
People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source… debian
Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it’s too difficult or user friendly or whatever… may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore
I haven’t given them anything and have been using desktop for almost 3 years now. I run Ubuntu server at work without any issues either. I signed up for pro for free on my home desktop and didnt have to pay anything.
Where do they attempt to get money from me? Asking because I’m legitimately not sure.
Back when I used ubuntu on my server, it kept telling me there were additional security updates locked behind ubuntu pro.
Not sure why a message like that would even exist on a free system that’s supposed to be secure, so I switched to Debian just to avoid the abusive/corporate nonsense altogether.
Honestly, i don’t like debian and it’s derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I’d love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
I know it’s not exactly what you’re asking for but fedora is reaaaally nice. I don’t think I’ve had a single “unstable” package and it’s kept up to date really well. The only concern I have with it is red hat, I’m just hoping they don’t decide to enshittify
True, fedora is both up to date and stable. The main reason i came to arch anyways was the AUR, ArchWiki and the need to spice things up a bit. I also like how customizable the whole distro is. Because it’s basically a house’s materials and the blueprint, i can make whatever the hell i want to it :)
I’ve been using Fedora for 3 years now…loved the dnf way of dealing with packages and the upgrades were painless…the only thing that bothers me is my nvidia card…I have issues with games on steam and every update seems to mess with the nvidia kernel module somehow…so…
I’m not a gamer but NVIDIA issues rear their head on Wayland mostly for things that need 3D rendering like Bambu Studio and even Electron apps like Slack, Spotify and VSCode.
Oh and also trying to get hardware video decoding working on Firefox is a pain. I’m now at the point where full screening a video just causes Firefox to immediately crash.
Definitely getting AMD next time but I’m a long ways off upgrading my NUC, it’s 8 core i7 with 64gb of ram so will serve my dev needs for a long time
If you’re using Linux for gaming, why not try Bazzite? It’s immutable, which is… Contentious. But it’s one of the best plug-and-play distros for gaming, with Nvidia support right out of the box.
I’m not just using it for gaming…I use it mostly for work … but I wanted to play a game or two eventually…that’s why I picked a general distro like fedora
True, the apt packages can get outdated (or are already outdated at release time :) ). But tbh, for me that mainly affects the desktop environment these days and KDE is already pretty neat anyway. The CLI tools I use don’t change as much anymore, and the GUI tools are usually available as a flatpak so up-to-date.
Better out-of-the-box hardware support, in my experience. We have a machine learning server at work, it didn’t see the GPUs on Debian Bullseye with the driver versions specified by the manufacturer, but worked perfectly with Ubuntu Server out of the box.
A distribution that is preconfigured by professionals has great value in a practical setting, even if that value has diminished in the eyes of the kind of person that Lemmy attracts. If I had tried to get Debian working by overruling the manufacturer’s instructions, I’d have to take responsibility for it, both its maintenance and the downtime and potential damage if I had fucked something up. With Ubuntu, I get to delegate at least part of the responsibility to Canonical (while covering my own ass), and that’s something you can’t backport.
This was five years ago, but yes, better out of the box hardware support. I tried installing Debian on my MacBook and Debian (or the Debian installer, don’t remember) booted to a black screen. Ubuntu worked out of the box for everything but the webcam and I still use it to this day.
Mine was a Pro but I did follow similar if not the same steps. For whatever reason I couldn’t get it to persist over reboots but I did get it working for a while. Didn’t need it really on that laptop.
I don’t know what Maestro is referring to, but Ubuntu has really good out of the box hardware support. Also it streamlined the installation process. Start it as a live CD, look around, if you like it, install it from the live environment. Generally they improved usability.
Live graphical installation and live environment has been a thing on fedora, suse, mandrake and a lot of distros since early 2000s. Ubuntu didn’t invent that.
Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.
Just use debian instead.
That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now… ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?
People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source… debian
Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it’s too difficult or user friendly or whatever… may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore
I just set up a new home lab server and my first instinct was the latest Debian.
… Seemed fine to me.
I haven’t given them anything and have been using desktop for almost 3 years now. I run Ubuntu server at work without any issues either. I signed up for pro for free on my home desktop and didnt have to pay anything.
Where do they attempt to get money from me? Asking because I’m legitimately not sure.
Back when I used ubuntu on my server, it kept telling me there were additional security updates locked behind ubuntu pro.
Not sure why a message like that would even exist on a free system that’s supposed to be secure, so I switched to Debian just to avoid the abusive/corporate nonsense altogether.
Couldn’t be happier.
3 years, so I guess you have caught the Linux virus around that time as well?
They have a history of showing ads and sharing user data with amazon: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
Some of the other things they tried are a bit difficult to judge, but I lost my trust and count them as lock-in attempts. These include:
Notable good parts that I have not mentioned, but maybe should out of fairness:
Or mint, if you’re a newbie
Honestly, i don’t like debian and it’s derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I’d love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
Debian Unstable.
I have been loving Linux mint with KDE plasma! Best of both worlds
It’s called Debian Testing.
Debian testing is not rolling. Sid/unstable is.
What about debian SID?
That’s testing my patience.
I know it’s not exactly what you’re asking for but fedora is reaaaally nice. I don’t think I’ve had a single “unstable” package and it’s kept up to date really well. The only concern I have with it is red hat, I’m just hoping they don’t decide to enshittify
True, fedora is both up to date and stable. The main reason i came to arch anyways was the AUR, ArchWiki and the need to spice things up a bit. I also like how customizable the whole distro is. Because it’s basically a house’s materials and the blueprint, i can make whatever the hell i want to it :)
I’ve been using Fedora for 3 years now…loved the dnf way of dealing with packages and the upgrades were painless…the only thing that bothers me is my nvidia card…I have issues with games on steam and every update seems to mess with the nvidia kernel module somehow…so…
What issue? I switched a friend to fedora KDE wayland and installed the rpmfusion drivers and it’s been fine (40 series)
Im in the same boat and I regret buying NVIDIA.
I’m not a gamer but NVIDIA issues rear their head on Wayland mostly for things that need 3D rendering like Bambu Studio and even Electron apps like Slack, Spotify and VSCode.
Oh and also trying to get hardware video decoding working on Firefox is a pain. I’m now at the point where full screening a video just causes Firefox to immediately crash.
Definitely getting AMD next time but I’m a long ways off upgrading my NUC, it’s 8 core i7 with 64gb of ram so will serve my dev needs for a long time
If you’re using Linux for gaming, why not try Bazzite? It’s immutable, which is… Contentious. But it’s one of the best plug-and-play distros for gaming, with Nvidia support right out of the box.
I’m not just using it for gaming…I use it mostly for work … but I wanted to play a game or two eventually…that’s why I picked a general distro like fedora
https://rhinolinux.org/
Not Debian, but closer if you haven’t seen it.
You can always use sid. Or debian stable but you do everything that needs bleeding edge in a distrobox.
LMDE
True, the apt packages can get outdated (or are already outdated at release time :) ). But tbh, for me that mainly affects the desktop environment these days and KDE is already pretty neat anyway. The CLI tools I use don’t change as much anymore, and the GUI tools are usually available as a flatpak so up-to-date.
Yeah, all the good parts of Ubuntu have been backported to Debian years ago.
What are they?
Better out-of-the-box hardware support, in my experience. We have a machine learning server at work, it didn’t see the GPUs on Debian Bullseye with the driver versions specified by the manufacturer, but worked perfectly with Ubuntu Server out of the box.
A distribution that is preconfigured by professionals has great value in a practical setting, even if that value has diminished in the eyes of the kind of person that Lemmy attracts. If I had tried to get Debian working by overruling the manufacturer’s instructions, I’d have to take responsibility for it, both its maintenance and the downtime and potential damage if I had fucked something up. With Ubuntu, I get to delegate at least part of the responsibility to Canonical (while covering my own ass), and that’s something you can’t backport.
This was five years ago, but yes, better out of the box hardware support. I tried installing Debian on my MacBook and Debian (or the Debian installer, don’t remember) booted to a black screen. Ubuntu worked out of the box for everything but the webcam and I still use it to this day.
In case you wanted your MacBook camera back, this worked like a charm for me on Ubuntu.
https://andreafortuna.org/2024/08/24/from-faceless-to-facetime-installing-webcam-drivers-on-a-debian-powered-macbook-air
Mine was a Pro but I did follow similar if not the same steps. For whatever reason I couldn’t get it to persist over reboots but I did get it working for a while. Didn’t need it really on that laptop.
Thanks though!
I don’t know what Maestro is referring to, but Ubuntu has really good out of the box hardware support. Also it streamlined the installation process. Start it as a live CD, look around, if you like it, install it from the live environment. Generally they improved usability.
Live graphical installation and live environment has been a thing on fedora, suse, mandrake and a lot of distros since early 2000s. Ubuntu didn’t invent that.