So 80% of lemmy.ml users?
Probably not 80% of their users, but definitely the majority of the active ones.
Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about ‘finding truth in faith’ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me
There’s this clear implication that the ‘truth’ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information that’s misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but what’s especially annoying is that it doesn’t even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from what’s supposedly more important.
Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.
You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that “russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too”? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so that’s good enough.
Hehe .ml user being defensive
Yeah, thats got to be it. No one could genuinely be concerned to see the left wing of American politics following the right into McCarthyism and xenophobia, it must be because I have the wrong letters after my name. Nothing I said is wrong, of course, but that’s nothing a lazy ad-hominem can’t solve, is it.
but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
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That’s Kremlin propaganda my friend.
Divide from within.
It doesn’t bode well that even American Liberals are all turning into the villain from Dr. Strangelove.
To be fair, everyone’s views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, it’s quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isn’t really how people work.
There’s a fine line between “not believing that propaganda” and “being a conspiracy theorist”
Like “Project Prism”
its one thing to have different kinds of propaganda , but RW only consume 1 kind of pure propaganda as thier sole source of information.
The key is to be constantly aware of it. Never follow someone blindly.
So, for example, don’t blindly accept casualty numbers for Russia directly from the Ukrainian government?
That’s true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but what’s the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
Intent, mindfulness, and informed decision making?
I mean, knowing that something is technically propaganda does not make it wrong or make it taboo to repeat. The word has a negative connotation because it’s typically used to describe the “other” guys, sure, but its meaning is very broad.
If I were to say the phrase “fuck Nestle” or even just the term “DeGoogle” one could correctly label those as anti-corporate propaganda with an agenda to harm the interests of an untold number of shareholders. Heck, thanks to broadly diversified 401k investment fund options, I am probably one of them and future me could lose entire dollars.
Is anybody on Lemmy going to shake their finger at me for repeating those two pieces of targeted, agenda-driven propaganda though? I certainly don’t feel icky for saying it. I bet I could even say something negative about the president of the united states without feeling embarrassed. :]
For sure, but the Kremlin is like Sauron, and most other propaganda is about which stew is best.
The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
No other country has done as much? We’re gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!
The trick is, every-time it looks like someone other than Russia is behind it, you just have to argue that Russia is secretly being them!
Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
You understand the difference between a medium and the content on that medium right?
That’s a rhetorical question since you clearly don’t.
Corporate control over an algorithm that decides who is served what content is a platform-agnostic tool of power over society. We’re seeing that danger manifest in old and new ways every single day. That lever of power allows whomever owns that particular medium to push whatever content they like. That is the entire motivation behind and purpose of the Fediverse and other decentralization efforts.
Zuck and muskrat separate populations, push propaganda and influence discussions at an unprecedented level. The control a single corporation, a single authoritarian point of power has over such vast swathes of population dwarfs the propagandic power of Goebbles and Stalin by an order of magnitude or more.
I don’t blame America explicitly like the other commenter. The conditions that have allowed the billionaire class to explode and wield power and influence exist elsewhere in the world as well. That said, America’s legal and regulatory frameworks did provide particularly fertile breeding grounds for the exploitation and hoarding of capital that produces billionaires.
Do you? Control over the medium is far more powerful than being a mere user of that medium.
Yea naw, my parents watch WeChat short videos and read their BS articles and they constantly regurgitate anti-Democrat rhetorics, and whenever someone gets shot by police, they fucking cheer, the homeless people, anyone with a “mental illness”, even George Floyd, they think trials are waste of time and resources, they want the system to just skip the trial and want the suspects dead.Can’t even blame “Americans” for this, the CCP has full control of the content, they clearly aren’t censoring it.WeChat is literally poisoning the Chinese Overseas Diaspora. Its another tentacle of the CCP’s power. There’s no doubt they also infect social media platforms like facebook, xitter, etc…They sow chaos, and untimately, whatever the CCP does damages the repututation of anyone who is ethnic Chinese or looks ethnic Chinese. They are infaming Sinophobia by being the worse representatives of my people. And all the abuse that I have endured from my parents is from this toxic culture, fuck this “filial piety” BS, fuck conservatism. I’ve been helping out in my parents bussiness, and they still say I’m useless. I really wanna go back in time and shoot confucious for inventing the stupid ass religion, fuck your 孝順, its literally parental indoctrination to control their children. Evil ass shit. Fuck confucious.Nvm
I assumed the US was disseminating right-wing propaganda among the chinese diaspora, given that they do it with every other one.
What does China even get out of turning your parents into right-wing psychos? America gets a community that is happy to work with them against their home country.
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I’m sorry for that. If its any consolation, the dynamics usually change as they get older and more dependent on you.
Cambridge Analytica,
That’s British
anti-vax,
Andrew Wakefield, the guy who started the antivax movement, is British
anti-trans,
The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
anti-abortion,
See the above point
anti-immigrant
See the above point, also, America is a country of immigrants and refugees, “Melting Pot,” America was one of the first countries to encourage and mobilize massive movements of immigrants, which sheltered them from oppressive governments looking to hurt them. This includes people fleeing from Russia and their wars and genocides like the Holodomor.
The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
ahh, to live in 2014 again.
It’s still here in 2025. America isn’t a bunch of fascist MAGAs, even if we are being taken over by Russian assets and Russian propaganda.
You know America is cooked because even liberals are blaming everything on evil foreigners
I have no issue with Russian people, I have an issue with Putin and the Russian state government committing atrocities globally including usurping governments. I am not a liberal, I am an abolitionist and socialist.
Whether you acknowledge it or not, their bombs will blow you up the same.
my sibling in Christ, Reps. Mace and Jackson literally shouted the t-slur yesterday and called for all trans people to be forcibly institutionalized. Trump said he “wouldn’t oppose” banning the trans flag when a reporter asked about “transtifa.” Musk retweeted someone who called trans women “perverted, deranged bioweapons” and trans men “osteoporotic, androgynous goblins,” calling us to be contained and forbidden to communicate with each other. along with someone else calling for a total ban on HRT for all ages. we’ve been kicked out of the military, and stripped of security clearances. the DoJ has floated banning us from gun ownership by ruling that we’re “mentally defective.” my passport has an M on it because Trump reverted all the rules on his first day in office. it’s a literal felony for trans women to use the women’s bathroom in Florida, and for trans office workers to use their own pronouns. coverage for trans health has been stripped from nearly every public service. trans protections have recently been eviscerated in Skrmetti.
it’s really not going great.
They are not America even if they seized fascist control of America. America is the people here and that includes activists and trans people. That includes you and me.
That we cry out and care is evidence the universe cries out and cares, since we are part of the universe as well. The universe through us cries out.
That we cry out and care is evidence Americans care, because we are both Americans. It is so so so important to not equate America with hate, but instead to equate the MAGA admin with hate.
And regardless, those anti-trans laws are literally Putin/Russian as a policy - remember how Russia got mad at the Olympic boxer and demanded she be tested? Russia literally funded the politicians for those laws, made all the propaganda pieces and ads, etc etc etc. And ofc some traitors and assholes went with it.
We need a national online forum
Yes, the solution to America’s problems is more centralized government control of information, to make sure that those evil ruskies can’t corrupt our pure
bodily fluidsinternet.I think you need a nap or something, because what you said isn’t anything I wrote.
First, the existence of the post office doesn’t stop you from using UPS or Fedex. Likewise, a government forum wouldn’t stop you from using other forums or social. And the government already got involved in socials like TikTok (deal currently being made), Truth Social, Twitter, and Meta - but because they aren’t explicitly OWNED by the government, we don’t have the same legal protections and cannot sue for rights that would normally be protected like free speech.
Just like how USPS can’t open packages without a warrant, but UPS and Fedex can just open whatever. The government gives you special protections that you can enforce via lawsuits.
The government would actually be losing control of information compared to the level they currently have it at. And so would advertisers and propagandists, because it would be much harder to make sock puppets and bots. FYI propaganda warfare is literally NOT democracy, it’s fascism and fascist control of info. We should each get a say, and what we say should stand on merit, not money. We deserve real communication so we can work on issues.
I already explained I love the Russian people, but not their fascist government.
Grow up and argue in good faith, ya piece of shit
I think you need a nap or something
Starting with an insult, as all bad faith arguers do.
because what you said isn’t anything I wrote.
It is what they call “paraphrasing”
The government would actually be losing control of information compared to the level they currently have it at. And so would advertisers and propagandists
So who would be moderating this government forum?
FYI propaganda warfare is literally NOT democracy
It literally is though, certainly under capitalism, at least: propaganda is how you convince people to vote for the policies you want/represent.
it’s fascism and fascist control of info.
Yeah, no one other than fascists have ever engaged in propaganda…
Grow up and argue in good faith, ya piece of shit
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Define “strawman” and define “paraphrasing.”
You did not paraphrase, you made up an entirely different thing that was never said by me.
Say something negative about Putin.
The government moderates it along with the laws we put into place that protect us. Again, they are already doing this without the laws or transparency via private businesses.
Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasn’t been used like this before ~2016. It is NOT democracy to hear a select few people’s opinion over and over again.
Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking. People don’t need “propaganda” to learn about policies, they can watch town halls, debates, talks, etc, discuss them with each other, and freely exchange ideas. (Doesn’t surprise me at all that you are in support of fascist control of info).
Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.
Hey can you say something negative about Putin?
Define “strawman” and define “paraphrasing.”
Strawman: Misrepresenting someones point as a different, less strong, point. Paraphrasing: Expressing the same concept in different wording.
Hence why I was paraphrasing, because I didn’t misrepresent your point.
Say something negative about Putin.
Are you going to do this on every post now? Do you need me to recite the pledge of allegiance every post too? Say something negative about Barack Obama.
The government moderates it
Ok. So it’s information control by the government.
Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasn’t been used like this before ~2016.
Lol. Yeah ok. I’m not sure who you’re expecting is going to take seriously the idea that propaganda campaigns weren’t invented until decades after the cold war.
Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking.
No disagreement here; but surely you realize this also means that control of information by a capitalist government isn’t the solution.
Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.
Just because fascists use propaganda doesn’t’ mean that they invented it or only they use it.
Hey can you say something negative about Putin?
Wow, so you’re not just going to ask this every post, you’re going to ask it multiple times per post. Do you need me to sign a loyalty pledge too? Swear under oath that I am not and have never been a member of the communist party?
You’re not wrong. I like to think I’m immune to proponganda because I’m anarchist but it’s pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power
My then history teacher said everyone is affected by propaganda, even trained and studied individuals like him. To think you are immune to influence from other people is very naive.
I’ve told co-workers that a person’s resilience against propaganda is a spectrum. No one is completely immune, but you can approach high levels of resilience at the cost of your sanity.
That’s me. I’m naive af
Yes, but most propaganda is not specifically fascist in nature.
Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.
…yes. you have access to search engines
While that is true, some propaganda is definitely more harmful while some others are relatively harmless.
I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts won’t take this slander. /s
THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!
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How else do you define “mainstream” than ‘most commonly watched’? TBH, ALL of the major news teams (CBS, ABC, CNN, msNBC) have succumbed to PumpkinLord’s rhetoric (almost NO calling out his lies or unconstitutional ploys).
Fox is the Eye of Sauron. May Reagan burn in intolerable hell for unleashing that shit upon us.
TBH, Rupert Murdock HELPED Putin refine/put RT on steroids. He was marketing his propaganda (division) here in the USA since Reagan let him through the door. Russian extras are just a bump up in the last 10-15 years.
and in return putin works through FOX to spread the propaganda in favour of the gop as well. tucker, jesse waters, laura ingram, bill oreily. is there to handle things.
Sorry, op. I’m locking this thread to prevent this comment section from becoming a dumpster fire.
ML is basically the same too.
whipping out my Horseshoe Theory graph
So, as you can see, the tips of the horseshoe are where the Russian Propaganda lives.
I prefer the Pac-Man interpretation
Hey horseshoe theory, wanna… touch tips?
So I’ve seen.
This is true. Also there are zero mainstream media outlets that are not propaganda of some kind or another at this point. When you intentionally read all kinds of biased news it becomes more and more obvious.
Yeah, let’s just ignore the right-wing think tanks, the majority of conservative/MAGA influencers who aren’t on Russia’s payroll, and right-wing “news” organizations. It’s totally just Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselves…
You know America is cooked because even the liberals refuse to believe that any flaws in their glorious perfect country are home grown. They can only be the work of subversion by evil foreigners
What’s so insidious about russia’s psiop over the last few decades is that all they’ve done is gently nudge the dial. They’ve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, they’ve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
And if you think “haha stupid MAGAs” falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you’ve fallen for it too.
And if you think “haha stupid MAGAs” falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you’ve fallen for it too.
Good thing you’re immune, though. Now tell me more about how all of the West’s problems are actually because of a vast conspiracy theory of evil foreigners.
1 - where did I say I’m immune?
2 - are you ignoring the fact that Russia openly admits to doing this?
Gentlemen, we interfered, we interfere, and we will interfere … Carefully, precisely, surgically, and in our own way, as we know how. During our pinpoint operations, we will remove both kidneys and the liver at once.
Yevgeny Prigozhin founder of the largest Russian troll farm
“I didn’t say I’m immune to propaganda! It’s just the propaganda I believe happens to be true! See, here’s an unsourced quote that doesn’t contain any concrete claims but certainly sounds sinister!”
Lol, I just noticed you’re an ML. No wonder you’re desperate to deny anything bad ever came out of Russia. Scuttle back to your tankie echo chamber.
Damn, you really have nothing except ad hominems. Guess what: the letters following my username in no way affect whether I’m right or not.
I refuse to engage with anyone from your instance
You’ve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
They’ve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions
Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didn’t need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didn’t do that.
they’ve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists aren’t innocent either, especially MLs (many of whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty of leftists I have interacted with or witnessed that are exceedingly fair, empathetic, and human.
Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing meaningful to improve their preferred party or seriously advocate for greatly improving the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
middle ground has evaporated.
Politics and governance shouldn’t be a game of tug of war where the Republicans have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats are pretending to hold the rope on their side. It shouldn’t be a tug of war game at all - that is what breeds polarization. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that a two-party system and biased, partisan “news” (that is literally entertainment) results in polarization.
This is all kinda my point. It’s not like Putin is just broadcasting stuff at the West. Wherever there’s discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Sure the talking points come from bad actors in the West but Russia are and have been quietly manipulating all the conversation around all of it. And yes they do it to conversations on the left and the right.
This is all kinda my point
Saying I am propagandized with zero evidence or good faith argumentation does not prove your point - the ball is in your court to prove that I am propagandized.
Wherever there’s discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Social media is largely US-owned and controlled. The algorithms could literally not exist, instead there be chronological or random ordering of posts and comments + auditable, fair moderation. Forums had their issues, but they were more fair platforms for discourse. Voting systems could literally not count for anything significant and not weight posts and comments over others.
Social media of the type that you are mainly referring to (where discussions happen in earnest) are a niche. Russia is not largely pushing right-wing talking points and polarization in a general sense - advertisers, right-wing organizations, liberal organizations, and social media companies are. And it isn’t a secret or a conspiracy - social media companies create and control their platforms (including their algorithms) and partisan politics and media are constantly fanning the flame.
From Wikipedia on the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine:
The demise of this FCC rule has been cited as a contributing factor in the rising level of party polarization in the United States.[5][6]
Party or political polarization in the US is not primarily driven by Russia. It’s our system and we can take responsibility for it instead of blaming Russia for everything.
They haven’t been on russias payroll for years.
They genuinely believe the shit they swill. By and large the paid agents were 5 to 10 years ago.
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If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia. Not solely but enough to make them bigger than they’d be otherwise.
If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia.
You seem to know more than me based on your response. You are claiming an amazing amount are funded by Russia, are there any decently recent sources which support your claim that you can direct me to? Do these people also take money from US-based right-wing organizations?
Just some quick bigger stories. There are others as well.
Thanks for those! Good sourcing.
No, there are not
Yeah, I don’t think they need to be on Russia’s payroll anymore. They’re in deep.
How is Russia controlling their talking points now? I’m responding to the OP’s meme. Is everybody on the right threatened, blackmailed, or are otherwise under duress? We know they aren’t the most intelligent bunch, but they are being traitors for their own reasons - for the most part.
The major talking points mostly came from the aforementioned organizations and outlets even when some of these people were being paid.
Huh? My point was that the people are pushing the insane bullshit on their own accord now because they believe it
What are some major talking points that Russia seeded in their heads that persist to this day or overtly inspire some of the right-wing talking points we presently see? These people on the right are pro-American in their minds - many likely believe they are more pro-American than anybody else.
The majority ARE on Russia’s payroll, it’s literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.
So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.
Rightwingers are just the excuse BRICS needs to "liberate " the US from Nazis. They need a Nazi takeover, but an incompetent one, so they can attack us and look like the good guys and still win. Our economy is collapsing, healthcare and food and farming (which farming is the foundation of the stock market fyi) all collapsing. Education collapsing. It’s bad already from their attacks, idk how it isn’t obvious.
Maybe you didn’t pay attention to when it happened to other countries, thats why Romanians, Serbians, Georgians, Slovakians all saw it and protested. It’s also why Russia explicitly labeled Ukraine as being taken over by Nazis and insists Ukraine is a proxy war started by the US and EU. It’s why they fund Nazis (AFD) in Germany. It’s why Elon supports the AFD. Elon also betrayed the US by illegally giving Putin Starlink satellites in 2022, which were paid for and funded by the US. That’s a huge part of why he was so freaked out Trump would lose - he should be sitting in the ICC right now for being a traitor and giving Putin those satellites.
This is literally qanon tier conspiracy theory
Sources have been given. If you’re too stupid to learn or read basic news sources like Reuters and NPR, on a story that’sbeen happening for a decade now, that’s on you. https://lemmy.world/post/36107411/19469733
When asked for sources for their grand conspiracy that Satanic paedophiles are secretly behind everything, qanoners would machine gun you with articles about individual powerful people being paedophiles, and act like that proved that they were secretly all paedophiles.
When asked for sources for their grand conspiracy about Judeo-Bolsheriks, Nazis could machine gun you with stories about Jews doing bad things and act like that proved Jews are behind everything.
When asked for sources for your Grand conspiracy about Russia being behind all of America’s problems, you machinegun stories any Russia doing bad things and act like that proves they’re behind every bad thing.
BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.
Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this, so that’s why they are grouped.
It isn’t “any” story, it is literally about their online warfare.
Please learn to read
Please learn a basic good faith argument
I didn’t say Russia was behind all global issues or all of America’s issues. I listed what Russia has specifically been doing because that was the info missing. I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway. But the topic was Russia and Russia has all the blackmail so that is why they are the focus.
You can’t criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot. Not least because you haven’t been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.
Lol, you’re just literally copy pasting random comment without actually bothering to read what you’re replying to now
No, you double posted this comment and so I double posted my response. Yikes
You can source your claims. I’ll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole or speculation and not based in reality, even if there are points sprinkled in that I agree with largely or in part. If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof. Let’s do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions.
And social media companies are the ones promoting these influencers and their channels and putting people in bubbles with their algorithms. Not properly moderating comment sections is also a choice of social media companies. Advertisers also have no problem funding these right-wing influencers either.
Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.
As for BRICS “liberating us” from Nazis - no, we got this. Farming was already unsustainable for reasons unrelated to Trump.
russias guilty of the vast majority of propaganda nd trolling on US MEDIA, and msm, where have you been?
russias guilty of the vast majority of propaganda nd trolling on US MEDIA, and msm
Do you have a source for that?
Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.
Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188
Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-prison-torture-rape-videos/31493651.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58978613
Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda: https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-how-moscow-undermines-the-west-via-the-dark-web/
Bots are actually large human slave networks: https://www.npr.org/2025/05/23/1253043749/pig-butchering-scam-crypto-tether
US election interference (there’s actually a lot of these links but I’ll post most recent I know of): https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
Here’s one more: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615
Romania election interference: https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2024-december-13/
Georgia election interference: https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/03/russian-influence-operations-in-georgia-a-threat-to-democracy-and-regional-stability/
Slovakia election interference: https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/beyond-the-deepfake-hype-ai-democracy-and-the-slovak-case/
Serbia election interference: https://octopusinstitute.org/foreign-interference-in-elections-and-its-impact-on-democracy-and-national-security-the-case-of-kosovo/
Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/report-crypto-donations-right-wing-extremist-groups-rising-especially-europe/402427/
Russia funds rightwing social media in the US: https://www.npr.org/2024/09/07/nx-s1-5101895/doj-says-russia-paid-right-wing-influencers-to-spread-russian-propaganda
Russia called Ukraine Nazis: https://www.adl.org/resources/article/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis
Russia and stooge says Ukraine war is proxy war: https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-rubios-view-ukraine-conflict-us-russia-proxy-war-matches-that-putin-2025-03-06/
AFD is explicitly pro-Russian: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5167235-germanys-afd-presents-a-clear-and-present-danger-to-the-global-order/
Musk supports AFD: https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/world/musk-livestream-afd-weidel-germany-intl
Musk in contact with Putin: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-matters
Musk funded a dark money group ($100mil) that pretended to be Democrats and astroturfed: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/
Starlink satellites are in Russia: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starlink-terminals-ukraine-wsj-says-2024-02-15/
Russia’s Starlink access helping them win war: https://www.intellinews.com/elon-musk-s-starlink-is-turning-the-tide-of-the-ukraine-war-in-favour-of-russia-348292/
Russia developing own Starlink: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-developing-starlink-rival-rapid-pace-space-chief-says-2025-09-17/
Let’s do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions
Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this. What narcissism do you posess that you think this info, freely available to everyone, is new to them just because it is new to you?
Twitter is owned by Elon, who was given money by BRICS/Saudis (long story about UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Israel and.how they fit into BRICS) for this exact purpose.
Zuckerberg is owned by the US government along with Google, so they step in heel with whoever is in charge.
Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.
Tucker Carlson Funded by Russian Propaganda Machine, Justin Trudeau Testifies Under Oath https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/justin-trudeau-tucker-calrson-russian-propaganda?srsltid=AfmBOoq46ydAPuJqfNAquGPraVEOGa-etrh7mNcTIf9RkeQgPgEY0qeo
He’s actually covered by my first sources, the Active Measures doc https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA
Meme for when someone decides this isn’t enough evidence, even though he hasn’t seen Active Measures or American Kompromat (most damning evidence imo)
Eta: Please stop editing your parent comment as a response to me, and just reply below so we can have a normal back and forth. You’ve had more than enough time while I got these links to finish the above comment.
Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.
? We are under active attack and warfare. Would you say this about Ukrainians or Gazans? This is victim blaming. This warfare is brand new, it’s like blaming Europe for not being able to defend themselves against Genghis Khan because he developed horseback warfare.
Further, you’ve just been given substantial links that Russia is funding and orchestrating a global Nazi fascist movement for possibly billions of dollars and killing millions for a global war, which makes them Nazis that are allied with China, India, etc.
I want to thank you for sourcing your claims and engaging with me in good faith.
Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.
I will give it a watch and the former a read at a later time when I get over my illness, but the rise of Trump surely didn’t have anything to do with the DNC and Clinton campaign pushing Trump as a pied piper candidate and telling the media to take him seriously. Russia did not make the mainstream media mention him an uncountable number of times. Russia also does not fund domestic right-wing organizations that back Trump to the best of my knowledge.
From the verified, leaked DNC memo sent by the Clinton campaign in 2015:
Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-‐in-‐the-‐same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal:
- Force all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election;
In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to: • Ted Cruz • Donald Trump • Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.
It’s clear that the press took him seriously.
Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188
I’m not sure if that’s relevant to the discussion.
Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043
I don’t disbelieve that.
Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda: https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-how-moscow-undermines-the-west-via-the-dark-web/
Not entirely relevant to the discussion, but a lot of these vectors could be mitigated through sane practices like not exposing our e.g. energy infrastructure to the open web.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615
Long read, got through most of it. States and our country being broadly incompetent with our voting systems is well-known. We can do better at any point to standardize systems, increase oversight and transparency, improve efficiency, and vastly improve security. Experts and other influential figures have been sounding the alarm for a long time.
[sources of election interference in Europe]
I don’t live in these countries and I did not experience these happenings, but I will say that it is incredibly more plausible to me that Russia is more overtly influencing European politics, and I don’t need a wealth of evidence to hold that position. Thanks for the links though, I will check them out on my own time.
Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/report-crypto-donations-right-wing-extremist-groups-rising-especially-europe/402427/
Unregulated, speculative, and essentially untraceable currencies should not have ever been able to be converted to other currencies and exist in the form that they have. I am unsurprised, but at the same time I believe that we can do better.
[various sources relating to the Ukraine sovereignty war/Russian invasion]
I am a believer in sovereignty and I support the people of Ukraine. I’ll leave it at that.
[various sources relating to Musk & Starlink]
Yes, Musk is very likely a traitor and is not a good faith actor. The facts are in evidence, yet you are the first person I have seen consolidating this information.
Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this.
The EU has done nothing concrete on multiple fronts. The Biden administration also largely abandoned Ukraine…
I don’t see a world war or a civil war coming, call me naive but I feel there is little appetite from populaces across the world. I don’t believe China would seriously position themselves with Russia against the world, despite recent developments which I am aware of. Again, maybe I’m naive, but I’ll hold my position.
Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.
I disagree, I am a firm believer in decentralized social media. I dislike Lemmy and other fediverse platforms for a few key reasons that we may agree on, but they are the best we have currently. Specific countries could regulate or tailor domestic decentralized media to fit their needs. Centralized, mostly unregulated, and advertiser-driven media has got us into the mess we are in.
Tucker Carlson Funded by Russian Propaganda Machine, Justin Trudeau Testifies Under Oath
I don’t see Justin Trudeau or Tucker Carlson as good faith actors. I need evidence.
We are under active attack and warfare. Would you say this about Ukrainians or Gazans? This is victim blaming. This warfare is brand new, it’s like blaming Europe for not being able to defend themselves against Genghis Khan because he developed horseback warfare.
This is how democracy and representative governance works - it’s not victim-blaming.
Eta: Please stop editing your parent comment as a response to me, and just reply below so we can have a normal back and forth. You’ve had more than enough time while I got these links to finish the above comment.
You are editing your comment, as well as your initial response to me, just as much as I am now trying to respond to you. My initial response to you was only mildly edited after I saw your edits. Chill, I want to make myself perfectly clear.
Further, you’ve just been given substantial links that Russia is funding and orchestrating a global Nazi fascist movement for possibly billions of dollars and killing millions for a global war, which makes them Nazis that are allied with China, India, etc.
Our right-wing think tanks and gems like Musk do plenty to influence European politics, as well.
To me, it seems that you are vastly overestimating BRICS. World war does not end well for anyone. It’s naive to suggest otherwise. I really hope you can calm yourself down, regardless of the evidence presented. War is never an inevitability or a certainty.
Article 4 of NATO was recently activated. Russia sent drones into Romania and Poland. Germany is uping their defenses. Biden admin didn’t abandon Ukraine, Trump made a point to call Biden a warmonger over it even.
If China didn’t want Russia to be in wars, they wouldn’t send over North Korean soldiers to Russia (NK is basically a satellite slave state of China). The world war already happened when they got involved. They just don’t want to escalate it until their war manufacturing and supplies are figured out.
China wants Taiwan and the South China Sea and probably Australia for the gold. Each BRICS member has major territories goals they want, eg India and the Indus River which also has gold. BRICS was explicitly made to destabilize USD and the Euro.
I am not saying to ban other social media, I am saying as a cornerstone of democracy, we need to be able to have forums with our government in official and secure ways, that we can track, and sue over free speech violations. We cannot do that with private companies including private servers. You can just get banned and silenced. Further, we should have streamlined ways of getting government notices, recalls, and contacting our officials. No upvotes or ads allowed.
I need evidence
Active Measures doc explicitly goes over Tucker Carlson and Trump and others. Please see that doc. That’s why you’re missing so much info. I’ve given it to you already. Also the book American Kompromat.
This is how democracy and representative governance works - it’s not victim-blaming.
Wow, really? I had no clue, because we’ve been living under active attacks to our governance and democracy specifically so we CAN’T do exactly that, so we DON’T have power, because it is a fascist takeover, including blackmailing numerous government officials and public figures. Fascists don’t respect democracy. And it is victim blaming, which supports abusers - in this case, supports Nazis and fascists. Nice.
You are editing your comment just as much as I am now trying to respond to you. Chill.
No, you don’t manage my feelings, and further, your edits messed with my other comment and made it reset. So I think I get to be annoyed that it cost me an extra 15min of my life trying to tell you stuff that you couldve googled yourself because you’re so geopolitically ignorant.
Oh and btw, if you need more evidence - go look it up. I am not in charge of your education and am just giving one basic link to support my points. If you want detailed info, be proactive and seek it out and learn. As it is, you come across as willfully and deliberately ignorant and needing to be spoonfed basic information the rest of us have known since 2016.
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I -already- said I am acutely aware of recent developments. We disagree. Russia is not capable, India is unstable, and China is likely to let Russia fail as they essentially already have been. World war is absolute suicide for the human race.
I am not saying to ban other social media, I am saying as a cornerstone of democracy, we need to be able to have forums with our government in official and secure ways, that we can track, and sue over free speech violations. We cannot do that with private companies including private servers. You can just get banned and silenced. Further, we should have streamlined ways of getting government notices, recalls, and contacting our officials. No upvotes or ads allowed.
If I trusted my government, I’d be more inclined to agree with you. I’ve been lied to and gaslit far too much. My government didn’t represent my interests or the interests of the American people even under Obama. Centralized power structures are literally the problem causing every single thing we are talking about, for the most part.
so we DON’T have power
Wouldn’t it be possible to organize a vote of no confidence outside of our election system to depose our government?
No, you don’t manage my feelings, and further, your edits messed with my other comment and made it reset. So I think I get to be annoyed that it cost me an extra 15min of my life trying to tell you stuff that you couldve googled yourself because you’re so geopolitically ignorant.
You edited your initial response to me after posting. I caught your comment before you finished.
Linking me documentaries and books instead of direct, primary sources does not respect my time.
Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.
Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change. They want to reduce the carrying capacity of the earth because they cannot figure out other ways. Already huge catastrophic floods in China. Farming and food will take a hit soon.
Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have power over it.
There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government. I would never trust someone on social suggesting such a thing either. I have other plans for addressing this, and they are nunya.
Linking me documentaries instead of primary sources does not respect my time.
I never removed that. Repsect your time? How about respect your blatant ignorance? Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp. Not everything is so simple, sorry kiddo. And the documentary interviews primary sources like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. The documentary IS a primary source. You’d know that if you’d just watch it. It’s free on Youtube and has been linked. How intellectually pathetic of you, as I suspected you’d be.
Hello! First up, I just want to say that you’re right. Russia has committed crimes. So, let’s at least understand why that happened, so we don’t go around like hypocrites pointing out maga for believing Russian propaganda, while you and I believe western propaganda.
In 1991, after the illegal and undemocratic dissolution of the USSR through neo-liberal shock therapy against the overwhelming majority of the population, fifteen states, which had not previously existed as fully independent countries in the modern, internationally recognized sense, were born. Of which, Ukraine.
Unsurprisingly, when you go from a planned economy to a market economy and the state start rapidly selling assets, the result is inflation, corruption, and instability.
Additionally, Ukraine’s geopolitical location keeps it interesting for western imperial interests. Being the second largest country in Europe, bordering both NATO, Russia, and the further Eastern Block, and a transit country for 2/3 of Europe’s natural gas from Russia, it of course plays a big role in the regions’ stability. Just interfering in the transit of Russian natural gas is enough to make Russia, a great enemy of NATO, suffer catastrophic economic hardships.
Given all those reasons and access to the black sea, and that’s how the west convinced Ukraine to trade in its nuclear arsenal for “security assurances” in 1994.
Trying to balance a relationship with both Russia and the West all the while the country faces massive inflation killing living standards and eroding public trust in the government, leading to constant leadership changes, but its not enough to explain the initial western intervention in Ukraine.
Since the beginning, NATO has been looking to get its hands dirty in Ukraine, making non-meaningful peace deals to “strengthen relationships”. A 2008 poll shows that 55% of Ukrainians straight-up opposed joining NATO and only 20% were in favor.
In a Russia-Ukraine-USA agreement, Ukraine was compensated with millions by the USA and low-enriched uranium fuel rods by Russia in exchange for it completely dismantling its nuclear powers. US Aid was given to Ukraine from the beginning. However, while this was crucial in the beginning, it did not come without a price. The US has claimed as a matter of foreign policy that “For a stable and secure Ukraine is essential for a stable and secure Europe” through the establishment of the “Vice Presidency of the European and Euro-Atlantic Integration in Ukraine”, which has made Ukraine’s pro-western stance clear since. This was even reinforced by constitutional amendments in 2019, embedding NATO and EU membership as "strategic goals to actively pursue’'.
In 2004, “The Orange Revolution” marked by widespread protests and reforms. As accusations of election fraud was made (hmm sounds familiar) and that led to new elections. That is true, but from the beginning, the organization of the protest is suspiciously too organized as if they were receiving some kind of help. Until this moment, the US promoted over 65 million dollars to “promote democracy in Ukraine” mainly through organizations like freedom house and national endownment, which had, big surprise, agitated many of the youth by organizing rock concerts and setting up posters all over. In the next so-called revolution, Ukrainians protested against the association agreement to reject closer ties with the EU to balance ties with Russia. The narrative was told that riot police and the such were deployed and even shot protesters. What is left out of this conversation is the involvement of far-right groups Свобода. Although they were a minority, they had a large backing, resources, and organization. They were widely occupying government building especially in western Ukraine. The EU and the US staged participation in the protests, actively supported the far-right reactionaries, and a later leaked phone-call reveals US efforts to influence the formation of a post Euoropia government. Poland also played a big role through funding and pressuring the EU to integrate Ukraine into so-called “European norms”. Image the inverse. Imagine Russia actively funding and supporting anti-government uprisings in lets say Mexico to match its interests in weakening the USA. Imagine a leaked phone call with Putin practically choosing the next leaders of Mexico some even being Russian themselves. Just for a second, think about all this and forget the US exceptionalism. Before moving on, its important to mention that Russia wasnt just standing by all this time. Russia conducted covert and overt operations in the presidency and later in Crimea and Romas. Don’t mistake me for being a supporter of Russia. I hate it with all my heart as much as you do, but situations like these need nuance.
Since the 1990s Russia has seen western intervention in Ukraine as a direct threat and was its reasoning for invading Crimea. This constant push and pull between the west and Russia caused the Ukrainians to suffer under a collapsing country being influenced by foreign entities. Even with all that, in 2014, Ukraine took a massive 17 billion dollar lone from the IMF and of course, the IMF implemented neo-liberal policies further ruining life and interest continues to rise so high to the point of insanity. This also further strengthened the already present and powerful Ukrainian oligarchs by major tax cuts yet the payroll tax remained at 50% placing even more burden onto the working class.
With all this in mind, it should be very clear that the policy towards Ukraine and Russia throughout the previous decades has produced outcomes opposite to the stated goals. The US says it views the strategic positioning of Ukraine as a buffer state. It’s not like this is a surprise. Even back in 2008, CIA director William when he was serving as the US ambassador to Russia stated “Ukranian entry to NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin)… [it is] a direct challenge to Russian interests…”. Another show of this is the Russian progress made, while the US was debating sending more money to Ukraine. Ukraine is heavily dependent on western weapons and supplies and can not survive on its own. Yet, peace deals are ignored for the continuation of Western imperial interests at the expense of Ukraine, which needs peace negotiations not continued war and western intervention. Defense secretary Lloyd Austin explicitly stated “The US goal in Ukrain was to see Russia weakened due to the war”, which is not the case at all and the lack of peace deals and continued western intervention not only is making Ukrainian lives more shit than they already were before the war, but also resulting in more and more countries being involved, potentially leading to WW3 just for some petty western interests.
I truly hope the best for Ukrainians and Russians impacted by this war and hope all of this ends.
FOUND ONE!
I personally like to listen to both sides of the story so that I can absorb 2x the disinformation
They cancel each other out if you’re lucky
It depends on the phase. Sometimes you get constructive interference and they add up instead.
People who consume only a specific source of media are biased as fuck. You don’t consume only media that’s in favor of your beliefs. You have to consume the other side’s propaganda as well. The truth is rarely spoken by anyone and lies somewhere in the middle.
The truth isn’t content. It isn’t engaging. Statements are.
Right wingers, do it in a specific way, they have either fox on all day long, or if they are on the computer, they have X posts just literring thier webpages, joe rogan or a right wing talking head video playing in the background for hours on end. thats how they reinforce the biases.
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I see you’re in the (warm furry pockets) of big cat!
I’m not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.
In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. You’ll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do something—otherwise, you won’t be able to post on Lemmy anymore because you’ll be brought into line by the state—then you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.
I’m not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda.
Because liberals are nationalist American exceptionalists, so they need to find something to blame Americas problems on other than America itself
The best propaganda takes advantage of flaws already present in a culture, it doesn’t try to create new ones
You mean like propaganda taking advantage of the fact that most Americans are already incredibly xenophobic to blame all of America’s problems on evil foreigners
This is an extension of the adage that the best lies contain elements of the truth.
You don’t know why because you are PROFOUNDLY uneducated about it or you’re a Russian bot yourself (ps most bots are human slaves, not robots).
Here’s a documentary from 2018 with McCain and Clinton: https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA
There’s also the book American Kompromat by Unger that goes into SUBSTANTIAL detail for DECADES and shows how Russia has been accruing blackmail globally.
And then multiple protests globally (Romania, Georgia, Slovakia, Serbia) regarding online Russian interference plus many many memos including from our own government.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe). It’s more effective than bullets and biowarfare in some ways. Idk how you can’t see how big of a deal it is.
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
I love completely unsourced xenophobic conspiracy theories topped of with McCarthyist witch hunting
Unsourced? It is thoroughly sourced. https://lemmy.world/post/36107411/19469733
I have no issue with the Russian people. It’s the Russian government/state I have an issue with, often I emphasize this but I truly thought it was clear by how I was saying they were enslaving their own people and harming them etc - average Russian doesn’t want this.
Being against a fascist leader actively attacking your country and other countries and funding Nazis and fascism globally isn’t xenophobia, that’s quite obvious.
Unsourced? It is thoroughly sourced.
So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in “MASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmy” specifically? Because if not, and it’s actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?
and other countries and funding Nazis and fascism globally isn’t xenophobia
Blaming all of your countries domestic problems on a secret conspiracy by your nations foreign enemies, while accusing anyone do disagrees with you of secretly being foreign agents is about as xenophobic as you can get.
Sorry, you don’t think there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy? Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they won’t keep talking. Won’t work on me. And if you aren’t a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if that’s what your REAL personality is like.
Tell me something negative about Putin. Go ahead. Tell me something negative about Xi’s government. Go on. These are dictators, should be easy.
Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isn’t a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, I’m not lying, I’m just completing the equation.
It isn’t “anything bad,” it’s literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.
It literally isn’t xenophobia, lol. Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery. Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too? What about Poland and Romania? What about how Lebanon is investigating possible Russian connections to that giant blast in Beirut because they think they caused it - is that xenophobia, to investigate a possible giant bomb and ask for accountability for it?
The state of Russia is engaging in warfare - that’s true. BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare. It will and has killed people. It’s okay to say that’s wrong lol
Sorry, you don’t think there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy?
Nope, stop right there. You’re trying to dodge away from what we were actually talking about, so I’m just going to repeat what I said.
So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in “MASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmy” specifically? Because if not, and it’s actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?
Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they won’t keep talking. Won’t work on me. And if you aren’t a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if that’s what your REAL personality is like.
Notice how this is all just substanceless personal attacks and McCarthyism (literally uses the phrase “Are you one of them?!”). This is purely trying to distract from the fact that you have not actual argument by reverting to just attacking me.
Tell me something negative about Putin.
Putin is an ultranationalist dictator who only cares about personal power and is only different from outright fascists in so much as he’s too self interested and cynical to believe in a cause larger than himself. He willingly oversaw the dismantleing and selling off of Russia to the oligarch class and is currently engaged in a brutal war of aggression that will be the cause of mass human suffering for decades to come. He’s basically the Saddam of Europe and I won’t be sad if he goes out the same way.
Tell me something negative about Xi’s government.
Where the fuck does this come from, what does Xi have to do with any of this? Oh right, you’re so xenophobic that you consider China and Russia to just be interchangeable synonym’s for “the evil foreigners”
Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isn’t a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, I’m not lying, I’m just completing the equation.
So this is just an admition that you were lying when you said your sources contained the claim. This is literally Qanon reasoning.
It isn’t “anything bad,” it’s literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.
See, you’ve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once you’ve decided that everything you disagree with is “a Russian talking point” and everyone who disagrees with you is “a Russian puppet” by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
It literally isn’t xenophobia
It literally is, it’s literally saying that all of your country’s domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery.
Lol. If propaganda actually counted as “actively attacking” then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesnt’ count as that, you’re just redefining words.
Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too?
No, because Ukraine is actually, physically being attacked by Russia, not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldn’t have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time.
The actual quote:
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
Including on Lemmy means they have a masive campaign and that includes some bots on Lemmy. Learn to read what is written. Stop strawmanning. Stop pretending you can mind read - that’s also a psychiatric symptom btw.
Asking if you are a bot because you are parroting pro-Russian talking points when faced with other evidence is not “substanceless” personal attacks lol.
Putin is an outright fascist.
BRICS, keep up. This was established numerous comments ago.
What claim? The claim YOU randomly invented because you strawman so much? You yourself did not disagree that there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy.
See, you’ve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once you’ve decided that everything you disagree with is “a Russian talking point” and everyone who disagrees with you is “a Russian puppet” by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
No, this isn’t what I said. Strawman. You know I didn’t say it, because I didn’t use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
it’s literally saying that all of your country’s domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
No, this isn’t what I said. Strawman. You know I didn’t say it, because I didn’t use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesnt’ count as that, you’re just redefining words.
Yes, the USA has been and is fascist too, all capitalist governments are inherently fascist, this has already been explained to you. This includes Russia too, both countries are fascist. Neither are brave or good for being fascist warmongers and both used the other as a scapegoat to rid themselves of undesirables.
I’m not “redefining words,” projection on your part.
People are literally dying, a physical attack, from this propaganda. Measles outbreaks, people eating bad food, gun violence, etc etc. Their deaths are as valid as if they’d been shot directly.
not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldn’t have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
Strawman again.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists don’t go this far
Yeah, okay, with this it is clear you’re having a bad mental health episode. I don’t care to be your punching bag for your delusions, mania, and/or psychosis which I’ve politely labeled strawmans and mindreading up to now. The “talking like Qanon” thing is clearly projection on your part. Much of what you said is nonsensical or just wrong, you’ve been informed of that and are unable to adjust or have a good faith argument at any level. You have failed in every comment to actually read the actual words I say and respond to the actual words I say. I may as well not be here lol, and any readers have the info they may want anyway.
I have no issue with reducing the global power of the USD and I am sympathetic to why other countries would do it. However, they do not care to do it gently, causing death, which needs to be addressed locally starting with acknowledging it.
The rest - yeah, I’m sure the evil boogeyman narrative your brain invented towards me is really insanely fascist and evil lol. You are a good creative writer and make very spooky characters with very spooky buzzwords. It isn’t me because I didn’t say anything you claim was said, but that other guy you’ve invented is a really scary guy for sure. You are doing great arguing against them and defeating them. They are just so evil.
Damn… I’m desperate, but even I wouldn’t suck that
