• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    tankies are such a small niche group, i dont think theres enough of them to have a significant on policy, unlike right wingers have real numbers on thier hands.

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      1 day ago

      They run TikTok among many other CCP funded operations, I wouldn’t disregard them personally.

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        You’re not wrong. Many of them are exposed to propaganda on TikTok and it is a growing issue. Espionage is being done to divide the left and consolidate the right. Just because it’s not as noticeable as the propaganda from the right doesn’t mean that it’s not having subtle effects. If it gets people to disengage or not look out for their best interests then it is effective. All this to say, there is a way to bring about positive change and that has to do with being involved locally.

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        I wouldn’t say so, I’m a consequentialist so when I see a pedophile felon in the white house removing the 14th amendment while not a single GOP congressman opposes him, I feel like the entirety of the US right is effectively gone and only the far right remains.

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            1 day ago

            Ah yeah sure, taxing the rich, removing money from politics, making healthcare and bodily autonomy a human right, all such right ideals. /sarcasm

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              14 hours ago

              I don’t think any of this happened last time the democrats were in charge? Or any other time before that. Seen from Europe, democrats are definitely right of center, just less so than republicans.

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                14 hours ago

                The DNC haven’t had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

                Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

                Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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                  14 hours ago

                  All I’m saying is everything is further to the right in the US. These things you listed aren’t even partisan issues here, they’re just normal things. But I see you’re just downvoting and arguing so I’ll be on way cheers.

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                    14 hours ago

                    I just don’t see it as anything other than bad optics. The DNC policy is very left, if we gave them 60 senators for the first time since 1979 then the USA could become something envied by Europe.

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        In many cases, I think so. People everywhere get their morality from culture. Since many people are raised conservative, and risk damaging their social connection in their community by straying from conservative values, people can be very protective of certain social conventions and perspectives, out of fear of social isolation or even alienating themselves from their actual nature in order to adhere to social convention.

        Its an understatement to say that the far right/fascism weaponizes this fact. But many many conservatives are workers which means that they share lived exploitation with the rest of us. Capitalism is the force that divides the working class, and when we participate in divisive/sectarian tendencies then whatever ideology we claim, leftist or whatever, then we are carrying water for the billionaire class.

        Its not always that simple though. Many people experience real trauma by having conservative values thrust upon them. Objective morality is a plague, but so is dualism. We need to think completely differently and work with others to navigate these dynamics

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      Thanks for the grasroots money, this small group is actually very loud. The loudest of them all. They maintain the illusion that communism is when you like Russia, and that’s their entire purpose