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Israel Says It Killed a Hamas Commander. It Killed a Pulitzer-Winning Journalist....

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    For Israel, anyone not killing Palestinians is Hamas.

  • biofaust@lemmy.world
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    Potato, potato…

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    I’m surprised the NY Times published this information, even if only as an opinion piece, given how long and hard (oh, so hard, with some of the slimiest half-truths, denials, cherry-picking and most differently charged language used anywhere) they’ve been propagandizing for the baby murderers.

    By the way, it’s hilarious that somebody created an account for a badly made spam both just to flood two posts related to Palestine and got banned within 1h or or so for 2 major communities.

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      The whole genocide narrative started with a NY Times story about Israel bombing a hospital. Turned out the story wasn’t true, and they retracted it.

      It’s actually a bit of a problem going the opposite way than you suggest. People in news organizations can be emotional and publish anti-Israel stories without proper confirmation because they’re sympathetic to Palestinians. And the stories you’re seeing on Hamas propaganda feeds that don’t get published isn’t because of some Jewish conspiracy, it’s because even emotional journalists can’t justify publishing raw propaganda with zero confirmation.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Sure mate, the UN Confirmed Genocide and Man-Made Starvation, is “people being emotional”, the various stories the NYT posted immediately after 7 October that later got shown as false and with some even retracted were not at all “raw propaganda with zero confirmation” and the relentless use of differently charged language when referring to Israelis and Palestinians (for example: the formed are “murdered”, the latter only ever “die”) aren’t at all biased and propagandistic.

        By the way, I’ve heard of this water-crossing realestate in New York selling for cheap and you sound like just the kind of person who would buy such a thing…

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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          So… only Hamas tells the truth and everyone else in the world is lying?

          Yeah, someone here is being suckered…

      • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        “genocide narrative”

        No need to continue reading, another Zionist troll

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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          If your ideas can’t survive any kind of opposition, it might be because you’re wrong.

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            Yes. Very self-aware of you to admit that.

      • ripcord@lemmy.world
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        Among other problems with your garbage here, “Israeli” != “Jewish”

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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          I’m not Israeli nor Jewish, but I constantly get labelled a “zionist” anyway because I don’t fall in line with the crazy bullshit conspiracies promoted on this site. You’ve come up with ways of labeling people so you can make them “the other” and acceptable to hate. That’s the tactic of a hate group.

          The tactic of making it acceptable to hate a subset of Jews (while changing the terminology) has been used in past, particularly by leftists. Read up on anti-cosmopolitan campaigns in the Soviet Union. They also use the term anti-zionism back then too, because the Soviets didn’t want to sound like the Nazis.

          But whatever terminology gets used, when you have hateful intent in your movement, you’re in a hate movement. You go around saying the Jews/Globalists/Israel/Zionists/Cosmopolitans are controlling world governments and the media, it’s all the same thing.

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            Dude fucking hundreds of thousands of people are dying and starving and you’re arguing semantics from your nice safe place. And making up shit that people are saying. Go fuck yourself.

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    It is funny that the only real journalism by New York Times is in the “opinion” section.

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    I’ve totally lost track of what this post is about because I’m just looking at the 8000 mod removed comments by SlackShaolin.

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      Old troll discovered how to be a script kiddie today. Block them and they’ll be removed from your feed. They’re already banned with content removed so you’re not missing anything.

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        Once again, thank you for your efforts.

        Incidentally, how can we help?

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          When you see it, report it. It goes to the mods of the community, the admins for the instance of the community, and the admins of the users home instance.

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      Lol I thought you were exaggerating then I scrolled down, damn that’s a lot of comments removed

    • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.world
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      Took me fucking 10 seconds to scroll through to the bottom on my phone on full speed scroll

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    Journalists do not get enough credit. Recently I heard the full ‘oh the humanity’ recording. It shocks me that its used as a joke because you hear the full thing and you follow the reporter as he starts to break down at what he is seeing its pretty horrific. But the whole time he stayed there telling people what was happening because as a journilist its his job to make sure the world understand what is going on. The video was being recorded separately and was certainly not being broadcasted for all he knew the job of informing the country what was happening rested soley on his shoulders and he did is absolute best and you can tell how hard it was for him to maintain some kind of composure.

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    Modem Holocaust complete with an industrial scale cover up.

    We’re going to be reading history books written by Israelis in US classrooms that tell all about their glorious war of liberation in another ten years.

    • M137@lemmy.world
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      “Modem Holocaust” sounds like some synthwave death metal band. I’m imagining Terminator imagery with some added 80s tech details for music videos, and the sound is kinda obvious.

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      Right after learning how nice slavery was.

    • redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I don’t think that’s how China will cover the subject.

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        There are a lot of subjects that China wont cover.

        • anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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          Who needs subjects when there’s a flash sale on temu/tiktok/ali

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        Won’t matter. Americans aren’t going to be allowed to read Mandarin.

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      Liberation, meaning liberation of the land

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    What the fuck happened in the comments?

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    We need rate limiting for user comments, Jesus christ

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    Welcome to the party, NYT. Better late than never I guess.

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      It is an opinion article hahaha.

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    The Zio York Times decides to do some journalism now that the genocide is at its peak.

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      More like washing up after the work is done.

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        One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.

        • Omar El Akkad
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    Even if one takes Israel’s allegations at face value — which I absolutely do not, given Israel’s track record — and entertains the idea that in 2013, at the age of 17, al-Sharif joined Hamas in some form, what are we to make of that choice? Hamas has been the governing authority of Gaza since 2006.

    So… maybe he was Hamas, what’s the big deal?

    Yeah if the guy was Hamas, he’s a valid target.

    So there was a lot of outrage over his death by news organizations around the world last week. Israel presented their evidence, and then… silence. That indicates news organizations consider Israel’s evidence to be at least credible.

    And then this opinion column comes out and this guy is saying “He’s not Hamas… and even if he was, it’s ok for him to be Hamas.” It smacks of the Trumpian “I didn’t do that, and if I did, it’s perfectly fine” style of logic.

    The silence of news organizations (other than Al Jazeera and alt media trash) on this and then this opinion piece making excuses about why it’s perfectly fine for Anas al-Sharif to be a member of Hamas… it kinda seems like he actually was a member of Hamas.

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      And here you are wrong. There is a difference between Hamas armed wing and government workers. For Israel they are the same. According to international law they are not.

      For Israel every male in Gaza is a Hamas fighter which is so inherently wrong. They simply kill those males with utter impunity.

      And if we have a bit more critical thinking, even if he was a legitimate fighter, why didn’t they kill him when he was alone. Why did they kill him when he was with his colleagues. Because they never said anything about the other victims. It is almost like there is a clear trend of killing local journalists and not allowing international ones, so that they can control the narrative.

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      No, according to the Geneva Conventions only armed combatants are legitimate targets. A militant Hamas member who is injured and in hospital is not a legitimate target.

      A journalist, even if he was a Hamas member, is not a legitimate target.

      A doctor, even if he worked for the Hamas run health ministry is not a legitimate target.

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        Does hamas follow the Geneva conventions?

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        It’s a hasbara bot unfortunately

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          What do you mean?

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            “Hasbara” is a term for Israeli propaganda.

            The public diplomacy of Israel, or hasbara (Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה), includes mass communication and individual interaction with foreign nationals through social and traditional media, as well as cultural diplomacy. Organizations involved include the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit, Prime Minister’s Office, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and pro-Israel civil society organizations.

            Historically, these efforts have evolved from being called “propaganda” by early Zionists (when the term was considered neutral), with Theodor Herzl advocating such activities in 1899,[1] to the more contemporary Hebrew term hasbara introduced by Nahum Sokolow, which translates roughly to “explaining”. This communicative strategy seeks to justify actions and is considered reactive and event-driven.

            Since the rise of social media, Israel is building its propaganda efforts both on paid and volunteering organizations, similar to the infamous Russian “troll farms”.

            https://www.apnews.com/article/2b9d37b6d0ab4916bd5df9498ae4118f

            In the case of journalists, they go even further, using intelligence units to smear journalists, like the murdered Anas Al-Sharif. We can expect this information then to be disseminated through various channels

            https://www.972mag.com/israel-gaza-journalists-hamas-hasbara/

            It should be noted that a lot of people are not paid or otherwise organized actors when it comes to Hasbara, but have fallen victim to the propaganda they then help to spread.

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        No, according to the Geneva Conventions only armed combatants are legitimate targets.

        Show me where in the Geneva convention it says this. Go on, find this in the rules of war where it says that. I’ll wait.

        You know just making shit up doesn’t further your cause, it just makes people distrust you.

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      Brave doing this on lemmy. We don’t want your facts or rational thinking, we prefer hate and calling for more violence (looking at you, ayyy)

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    Sadly when propaganda is 3/4 of the war, a lauded journalist is a type of commander. This was a calculated strike I assume.

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    Normal “journalist”.

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      What’s good for the goose is good for the gander: https://youtube.com/shorts/hH_5gBGF4-A

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      Looks like a pretty normal journalist to me. You freakish monster.

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      Yes, that is indeed what a good journalist looks like.

      Especially one who won a Pulitzer for covering Palestinians. You know, the people in all those pictures. Almost like he needs to be around them to journal what’s happening. You know, for good journalism.

      How fucking cooked is your brain on propaganda to think this indicates anything to the contrary?

      You think someone taking a picture in front of a Ronald McDonald statue means they work at McDonald’s?

      Propaganda is easy to spot when it is this incredibly stupid. What’s your excuse to not spot it?

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      You seem like one of those far right nazi Germans.

      Maybe it’s time to head back home.

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      Ok, after some digging,the first picture Is him in 2021 at a pro hamas thing saying a parade of green and such, so make of that what you will. The second picture was taken in 2020 and involved him also stating (and I’m paraphrasing) to praise the people of gaza and to show the world what is happening to the people living there. The third pic I couldn’t find much except an article from The Australian which was behind a paywall.

      And the fourth pic is also hard to source, if anyone wants to take a crack at it. As for the guy who posted this, hey man, give us some context, I’ve seen pics of good people doing bad things  and bad people doing good things, pictures alone don’t mean shit without back story

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