• flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)@feddit.ukM
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    18 days ago

    Depends what they’re fleeing from. Afghanistan? Nigeria? Iran? Sure.

    How are they supposed to get into the country? Unless you have some kind of programme, like what Ukrainians or Hongkongers have, then there’s no way for these people, who are very poor, to enter the country legally. So, unless you share the left wing position of opening safe routes to these people, this is effectively a position of denying any refugees from these countries.

    A large portion of these people are just economic migrants

    People in hotels can’t work, they can only start to work if their asylum application is accepted. People who have their applications rejected don’t gain the right to work and are given notice to leave the country voluntarily, lest they be deported to their country of origin by the Home Office.

    They see how good it is that we give them hotels, excursions and spending money

    There’s even a section in the video addressing this point, but just to reiterate, the conditions for people in these hotels are abysmal. That’s not to mention when Blackshirt cosplayers arrive outside the hotel to try to burn it down.

    That we have useful idiot “human rights lawyers” advocating to continue doing this

    Talk about glass houses, parroting the most blatant of right-wing propaganda designed to distract you from real issues and instead focus on a couple 10s of thousands of people crossing the Channel. Also, putting human rights lawyers in scare quotes is a very bad look.

    But anybody who comes across in a rubber dinghy or over the Irish border has already shown full and complete disregard for our country and can sit and think about it on a “prison vessel” until they decide to return home voluntarily, or actually somehow do get approved.

    Most have their claims accepted, either initially by the Home Office or by a court overruling the Home Office’s rejection. This is an incredibly callous thing to say and makes me question your sense of morality.

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      How are they supposed to get into the country?

      Through programmes, or if it’s a case where, let’s say they came over as a student or another legal immigrant, etc.

      People in hotels can’t work, they can only start to work if their asylum application is accepted.

      Their intention is that it will be usually.

      There’s even a section in the video addressing this point, but just to reiterate, the conditions for people in these hotels are abysmal.

      Should think about that before boarding a rubber dinghy.

      Most have their claims accepted

      It shouldn’t be if they’re coming from a safe country.

      This is an incredibly callous thing to say and makes me question your sense of morality.

      My logic is simple: if someone is coming to the UK from a safe country, then they aren’t a refugee.