And it needs to be said - meeting people “where they are” instead of making them be better is generally how we’ve gotten into such a horrible place in the FIRST place. “People like SaaS because it’s easier and they don’t care if things go away. They accept it.”
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop letting people dig themselves into comfortable holes and then try to lure them back out via new tunnels. Call them out on crawling into the holes in the first place.
Also, Snot Flickerman, while being excessively confrontational, is not wrong. 21% of US adults are considered functionally illiterate, and a large percentage of the remaining 79% aren’t able to read the MEANING beyond a literal understanding, and I’m sorry, this is a problem to be dealt with, not an expression of neurodiversity - audio/visual stimulation DOES NOT stimulate the same critical thinking centers of the brain. It just does NOT. There are DECADES of research on this.
And this is BEFORE we consider that uploading video to Youtube is putting information EXCLUSIVELY into the hands of a multi-billion dollar company that is NOT on your side and can shut it down for any reason they choose, removing it from the collective consciousness. You can copy and paste and move text around wherever you want. You CANNOT do the same with video. This is a memory hole. There are consequences to this. If you don’t SEE them, that’s a problem.
You say that, but the old men yelled at the effects of walled gardens, corporate ownership of social media, loss of ownership of personal hardware, planned obsolescence, the lack of repairability of hardware, the effect of SEO on usability of search, the dangers of owning media that you don’t really own… and they’ve been right about every single one of those things and the impacts they’ve had.
But maybe they’re wrong THIS time. And maybe you can downvote away the fact that 90% of our shared cultural experiences and history from the past decade are under the control of Google and a couple of clicks or a serious attack away from disappearing forever.
“I’ve complained about everything and sometimes I’m right” is not the flex you think it is.
Old men also yelled at Newspapers, Radio, Books, Trains, Airplanes… Anything new or different than what they are used to. If you’re only argument for something being bad is “I don’t like it, and other things I don’t like are bad” you might want to reassess your argument.
“It’s a shame anything has to change. The Sun has changed its position in the sky and I don’t trust it one bit.”
Look, from MY perspective, YOUR only arguments are “I like it” and “It’s new”, and you’re never going to convince me that that overrides “It takes millions of times the storage space and bandwidth and is literally impossible to deliver the infrastructure necessary without a major corporate owner.” It’s ironic that you’re even on Lemmy. At least in theory you understand the concept of federation, but on the other hand, you’re sitting here defending the idea of using a centralized, corporate service to store and deliver everyone’s media. You haven’t presented a SINGLE logical argument, and all you’ve done is sit here flinging personal insults and talking about how “new” is better as if it’s some natural gospel.
But it really doesn’t matter to me either way. It’s not my future. Go ahead and make whatever response you want to this. You can have the last word. I’m done wasting my time here dealing with your personal insults. I didn’t bother to turn any of my points into personal attacks, because I may be an old man, but I’m also an adult, and don’t take criticism of my preferences as personal attacks. But since you seem to be itching for some kind of victory, you can have one. You win!
Okay, now I know you’re either being disingenuous or misinformed. Either way, you have a good one. I’m out of this conversation. Sincerely hope things work out for you and yours.
It’s all nice and dandy, you coming in here talking all this nonsense, but then you completely lack any historical knowledge on tech or how we got here today, so I’m far more informed than you are.
Yes, so go out of this conversation, and stay out of this conversation until you’ve at least bothered to educate yourself.
Less effort, at the cost of WAY more time.
And it needs to be said - meeting people “where they are” instead of making them be better is generally how we’ve gotten into such a horrible place in the FIRST place. “People like SaaS because it’s easier and they don’t care if things go away. They accept it.”
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop letting people dig themselves into comfortable holes and then try to lure them back out via new tunnels. Call them out on crawling into the holes in the first place.
Also, Snot Flickerman, while being excessively confrontational, is not wrong. 21% of US adults are considered functionally illiterate, and a large percentage of the remaining 79% aren’t able to read the MEANING beyond a literal understanding, and I’m sorry, this is a problem to be dealt with, not an expression of neurodiversity - audio/visual stimulation DOES NOT stimulate the same critical thinking centers of the brain. It just does NOT. There are DECADES of research on this.
And this is BEFORE we consider that uploading video to Youtube is putting information EXCLUSIVELY into the hands of a multi-billion dollar company that is NOT on your side and can shut it down for any reason they choose, removing it from the collective consciousness. You can copy and paste and move text around wherever you want. You CANNOT do the same with video. This is a memory hole. There are consequences to this. If you don’t SEE them, that’s a problem.
This guy gets it.
“Old men yell at cloud” vibes.
If neither of you are old men, then I really pity you.
You say that, but the old men yelled at the effects of walled gardens, corporate ownership of social media, loss of ownership of personal hardware, planned obsolescence, the lack of repairability of hardware, the effect of SEO on usability of search, the dangers of owning media that you don’t really own… and they’ve been right about every single one of those things and the impacts they’ve had.
But maybe they’re wrong THIS time. And maybe you can downvote away the fact that 90% of our shared cultural experiences and history from the past decade are under the control of Google and a couple of clicks or a serious attack away from disappearing forever.
“I’ve complained about everything and sometimes I’m right” is not the flex you think it is.
Old men also yelled at Newspapers, Radio, Books, Trains, Airplanes… Anything new or different than what they are used to. If you’re only argument for something being bad is “I don’t like it, and other things I don’t like are bad” you might want to reassess your argument.
“It’s a shame anything has to change. The Sun has changed its position in the sky and I don’t trust it one bit.”
Look, from MY perspective, YOUR only arguments are “I like it” and “It’s new”, and you’re never going to convince me that that overrides “It takes millions of times the storage space and bandwidth and is literally impossible to deliver the infrastructure necessary without a major corporate owner.” It’s ironic that you’re even on Lemmy. At least in theory you understand the concept of federation, but on the other hand, you’re sitting here defending the idea of using a centralized, corporate service to store and deliver everyone’s media. You haven’t presented a SINGLE logical argument, and all you’ve done is sit here flinging personal insults and talking about how “new” is better as if it’s some natural gospel.
But it really doesn’t matter to me either way. It’s not my future. Go ahead and make whatever response you want to this. You can have the last word. I’m done wasting my time here dealing with your personal insults. I didn’t bother to turn any of my points into personal attacks, because I may be an old man, but I’m also an adult, and don’t take criticism of my preferences as personal attacks. But since you seem to be itching for some kind of victory, you can have one. You win!
Now, seriously, goodbye and all the best.
“I’m such an expert on technology that I don’t even realize when I’m talking to someone else online!”
Really? Because I’m pretty sure it’s all the old guys that created all that crap, and all the new guys who are trying to get from under it.
Okay, now I know you’re either being disingenuous or misinformed. Either way, you have a good one. I’m out of this conversation. Sincerely hope things work out for you and yours.
It’s all nice and dandy, you coming in here talking all this nonsense, but then you completely lack any historical knowledge on tech or how we got here today, so I’m far more informed than you are.
Yes, so go out of this conversation, and stay out of this conversation until you’ve at least bothered to educate yourself.
Okay, now I’m actually laughing. Seriously, very nice trolling. You have a good one.
So even that was inaccurate.