A Democratic congresswoman has given a scathing review of the Trump administration’s so-called “Alligator Alcatraz” in Florida, describing it as an “internment camp” that needs to be “shut the hell down.”
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who represents Florida’s 25th congressional district, said that pictures of the facility “don’t do it justice” and that detainees were being “packed into cages.”
On Saturday Florida lawmakers from both parties took a state-arranged tour of the new 3,000-bed detention center that the state rapidly built on an isolated airstrip surrounded by swampland in the Everglades.
they are just SO terrified of calling it what it is, a concentration camp. They are “concentrating” specific people into their camp. Call it what it is. it’s a Concentration Camp.
I’m SO looking forward to what the Dems decide to call it when they inevitably set up little “chambers” there and people suddenly start “disappearing”.
No need for chambers. I’m certain they’re just waiting for a major hurricane later this year.
republican presidential administration: builds auschwitz local democrat lawmaker: ‘This is awful, I am going to use my position to work against this and try to shut it down’ internet leftists: ‘im seeing double! four fascists!’
Lawmaker says Alligator Alcatraz is an ‘internment camp’ after joint GOP-Dem visit
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Hm. Didn’t expect that sound bite to come from that individual, but alrighty.
STOP CALLING IT ALCATRAZ.
Alcatraz was for criminals who were found guilty in a trial.
This is AUSCHWITZ
On one hand, yes. On the other hand, every time I hear potential terrible plans on social media, it seems like they take it as a guide.
“Now that we’re here, what should we do?” “Gee, I don’t know Tom. Let’s see what the liberals on Reddit are crying about and do that.”
Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp. This is more like Dachau. Pretty accurately like Dachau I’d even say.
Yeah let’s weaken our political messaging for the camp where acting forces want to feed the latino population to alligators in the name of pedantry! Fuck the fact that most Americans would probably guess Dachau is a cheese or something, and that Auschwitz is certainly the most recognizable of the camps taught from the holocaust, we want to be 5% more correct!
You’re right, BUT -
this is a majorly fucked up timeline when people are complaining that it’s too mean to call a US concentration camp “Auschwitz” when it’s clearly just harmless little “Dachau.” Dachau led to Auschwitz and if the normalization of it is any indication, it WILL happen again here. THAT’S why people are calling it that - we’ve seen this shit before and know how it ends.
Well, in Germany we got hammered it in that any likening of anything that was not part of the Holocaust to parts of the Holocaust is inherently antisemitic and a new form of nazism. The Holocaust is supposed to be unique and special forever, as no one is as good at exterminating people like we Germans are and Jews are the eternal victims, hence Israel can’t do any wrong. Conveniently ignoring how other victims of the Holocaust such as Sinti and Roma are still facing rampant systemic discrimination in Germany and also that understanding of Jewish victims being limited to Israelis or people loyal to Israel, whereas Jews who criticize Israel face various forms of repression in Germany.
Now obviously that isn’t the way it is taught directly, but it does involve a sick guilt pride on the one hand and the immediate shut down of any criticism of anything that actually does have parallels to aspects of the Nazi regime and the Holocaust. Or well, that is as long as the criticism is geared towards our allies such as the US and Israel.
Unfortunately the whole debate has been deeply intoxicated and instrumentalized in the “Staatsräson” logic of unconditional support for any and every atrocity, as long as it serves the current Israeli state and its government.
From the best attempt of a neutral perspective: In Auschwitz the Nazis murdered about 1.5 Million people. At its peak there were about 150,000 - 200,000 people concentrated there. From medicinal experiments on humans to random acts of brutal violence there has been all sorts of further gruesome atrocities piled on top of the systematic extermination. So in terms of scale the comparison really cannot come even remotely close.
I do agree with you that these atrocities escalate and escalate quickly, when left unchallenged. The idea that Germany, Israel, the US or anyone other state entity truly learned a lesson of humanity from the horrors of the Holocaust and there would be a certain prevention unfortunately also is wrong. I remember how in school everybody was like “i could have never done this” or “i would have fought against this, how could the people?!” and now we see the same writings on the wall here in Germany again and most people do fuck all, if they don’t already openly embrace it
The Holocaust is supposed to be unique and special forever, as no one is as good at exterminating people like we Germans are
I hate how often people act like this is the case. We Americans will soon be making “the” Holocaust “a” Holocaust and prove that the Germans were not somehow unique in committing crimes against humanity, and I hate that so many of us are this fucking stupid and evil.
I see it another way.
By the time Auschwitz happened it was already way too late to oppse the Nazi Regime. It was too late to save lifes and prevent tragedy. But at Dachau it wasn’t.
It also makes it seem like this (Donalds Dachau) is the endgame. Like this is the worst they will do. When they will in fact do much worse.
By calling it an Auschwitz, I feel we’re kind of throwing a towel and telling ourselves that the MAGA-Regime is already too powerful. It isn’t. They’re only just starting, they can still be stopped. It also makes it seem like this is the height of their tyranny, which it isn’t. Noone should stay at home thinking “well, it isn’t that bad” but instead go to the streets thinking “it mustn’t get worse”
Also we all know that Dachau isn’t “harmless” in any way, and my comment should be pretty clear that it was awful. Comparing it to dachau isn’t normalizing it, it isn’t disrespectful, because it’s what gets closest to it. On the other hands it can be seen as disrespectful to all those who suffered and even perished in Birkenau to be compared to “Donalds Dachau”.
Lastly let me assure you that I am NOT, as implied in your comment, defending the current US-Regime nor normalizing Dachau.
Look, if you put people in “concentration camps” until they die, wouldn’t that be an extermination camp, even if you aren’t doing anything to accelerate their deaths?
Anne Frank didn’t die in a gas chamber; she died of typhus. Putting people in a place full of health hazards where they will not get proper medical care is a form of extermination.
No, because words have meaning. People also died in the original concentration camps - they were still distinct from the extermination camps.
Auschwitz 1 was a concentration camp, Auschwitz 2 (Auschwitz-Birkenau) was an extermination camp
Also please stop using the euphemisms the Nazis used. It’s an extermination camp.
Euphemisms are meaningless once the connotation settle in. No person alive in the modern civilization can heart the term “concentration camp” and think “oh, this is not so bad then”.
Alligator Auschwitz will be an extermination camp, but the “oopsie, the residents all died of heatstroke and dehydration, maybe they shouldn’t have been illegally entered the country” kind.
I mean. They built it in the middle of a swamp. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next time that area gets a particularly heavy rain it’ll morph into an extermination camp in a matter of hours.
The facility is comprised of tents, in a gator and snake infested swamp in southern Florida, one of the most active hurricane regions on the planet. The first hurricane or tropical storm that comes through there is going to destroy that place, and put those people at mortal risk.
But the alliteration…
I nominate “Donalds Dachau”. Would that work for you?
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No. This is Dachau. They’re not yet at the stage where they operate gas chambers. They’ll get there soon enough, though.
Auschwitz did not start as an extermination camp, either.
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Alligator Auschwitz.
Alligator Auschwitz Concentration (soon to be death) Camp.
Bumfuck Buchenwald works and has the alliteration factor. Whatever the moniker, it never should’ve been established in the first place.
Alligator Auschwitz sounds good.
I want Democratic politicians to start talking about the proper response to this. I don’t expect them to endorse people trying to perform armed raids against these facilities, but they need to start talking about holding people accountable. I’m sorry, but if you’re working at a concentration camp, you need to be in prison at best, and possibly even hanged for crimes against humanity. We need to start talking NOW about putting all these ICE agents in jail when this is all over. These people are criminal scum who need to be prosecuted for their crimes. And to head off any possibility of a blanket pardon, we need to be talking about using extra-territorial rendition to try these people for crimes against humanity.
A presidential pardon will not save ICE agents from this legal liability. Even with a pardon, these agents can still be tried in the International Criminal Court or other body that practices universal jurisdiction for crimes against humanity. And even beyond that, there are dozens of potential nations to send ICE agents to for their crimes. After all, they are committing crimes against humanity against the citizens of dozens of nations. If the ICC isn’t viable, we can extradite these people to Venezuela, Mexico, or any number of other countries. These countries can then try them for the deaths of their citizens at the hands of ICE agents.
They simply don’t care about us. Only their billionaire donors.
“holding people accountable” is a worthless milquetoast phrase that at best means being “written up”.
Demand PUNISHMENT.
I mean, obsess over performative semantics if you want. I just want to see the bastards hang.
The whole point of statements by the likes of DWS is to signal to Americans that someone is trying to do something on their behalf. She described it as an internment camp and said it needs to be shut down, surely as a high ranking politician it means she’ll be doing something to shut it down… It’s just a pacifier for people’s anger.
The Democrats are not your friend, they have the same overarching goal as the GOP: exploit workers and make capitalists richer.
Alligator Auschwitz serves that goal. They just make noise but as a party they are locked in, just like they made noise about children in cages under Trump the first term but completely forgot that it got even worse under Biden.
Concentration camp.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is one of the reasons we have concentration camps in the US rn
Watch how fast no one does a single thing about it.
No shit. We could have told you that from across the country.
Once all those Jesus Lovers SEE and HEAR this they’ll be the FIRST in Line to Shut it Down because we KNOW Jesus would NEVER stand for Jailing the Hurt, Innocent or Poor Immigrants!
I talked to a user yesterday who thought it would be better if no photos or videos got released because then people would be more upset at the unknown.
lol
For those of us not in Florida, how do we get this shut down?
Kill any nazis you see on sight. They will chicken out when they start fearing for their own safety.
Luigi. Hurricane season. There are no good honest answers.
Feed the alligators bacon. Once they have a taste for pigs, the ICE agents will no longer be able to work there.
Boycott American-made goods and services, and try not to support anything from American-owned companies.
I live in the U.S., how do I boycott American goods exactly? I cant just buy all foreign…
Do what you can. No-one needs to eschew all American things, but if everyone can cut down a little bit, their economy will feel the pain. A poor economy gives less for the tits in charge to hide behind.
Finally an excuse to buy these nice but somewhat pricey (actually more like fucking expensive) Italian guitar strings.
Do you mean without stepping foot in Florida? Probably nothing. And even then, it would take a Rambo style frontal assault.
Or, join the government and have a meeting about a meeting to decide if you’re going to have a meeting to decide if this is a situation that requires an action meeting.
Do you think only the government works that way with the whole meetings thing? Corporate america is like that as well, maybe worse even. And actually, I work as a federal contractor doing software stuff, and I dont attend meetings about meetings. Some of us, actually, most of us do have real shit to get done when they go to work.
TLDR: Meetings about meetings about meetings is for beaurocrats, not scientists and engineers.
Dude, no one is talking about you and we don’t want to change the conversation to talk about you. That’s weird.
Sure, but its also weird to insinuate that being a government employee of any kind means having meetings about meetings to decide if youre going to have a meeting about doing something.
Context, my pal. They’re not talking about ALL employees of the government, they’re talking about bureaucracy and ineffective governing.
Help me understand why you took this personally. My first thought is neurodivergence, but I don’t wanna put labels on anyone.
One could rent drones from Florida businesses nearby and if you are in a country that lacks an extradition treaty with the US Government; well…
You don’t. Sadly, we have nought but to get used to them.
