This came up in my health care forum.
Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.
This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.
Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.
This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
This reads like low-key Scientology propaganda.
Plenty of people who are not scientologists believe psychiatry and psychology are corruption incarnate. Sometimes I wonder whether scientology was invented by psychiatry to discredit those who point out its lack of efficacy, cruelty, and financial exploitation of vulnerable and naive people.
Only in that it’s critical of the field of psychology as it is on the ground? I’m not a Scientologist, and I don’t think the cans are a substitute for care.
The state I live in was under DOJ investigation for using the police/prisons as default responses to behavioral health care. Even the people I call to report my own experience of abuse or children I advocate for - they are all like, yeah, all of the facilities here are like this.
It’s not that psychology is fundamentally bad (although we need to excise Freud entirely) - it’s that in practice there’s very little accountability and a lot of abuse that is covered up due to differences in power. I was able to call and report the fact that I was physically assaulted - the man I saw drugged in a holding cell will probably never be able to express what happened to him a way that will ever be taken seriously or lead to meaningful action.
CBT is flat out ineffective for many people and conditions. It is a serious problem that the majority of practitioners are only taught CBT and will outright lie if you tell them you don’t want CBT.
I have trouble telling the part sometimes, to be honest. I guess scientologists tend to be better actors and worse scifi authors than psychiatrists, but how often does that come up when you’re meeting someone?
Scientologists despise psychiatry. To like the point of extremism.
okay, yes aware, but, again, from where I’m sitting, the main differences I see are that scientologists are much better actors on average, and psychiatrists are much better scifi writers on average. this wouldn’t be the first time two nearly identical groups have been at each other’s throats; have you heard of communists?
Nearly identical? One is a cult, and one is a legitimate science.
uh huh. I haven’t seen the legitimate science. I’ve seen cult shit, cult dynamics, and cult behavior towards kidnapped people, including myself. I don’t really trust those people to do objective science. I used to own a copy of the DSM that described homosexuality as an illness. do you want to know how it was treated? being trans is still a mental illness. so forgive my skepticism.
in fact, my parents were in a cult for a few years when I was little. they were creepy as hell and super authoritarian, but they were much nicer when they kidnapped me, never raped me, and didn’t go nearly as hard on the torture.
OH psychiatry is also covered by insurance sometimes briefly. so i guess that’s another difference.
Psychiatrists help millions of people every day by providing antidepressants, ADHD medication, mood stabilizers, anti-psychotics, anxiolytics, etc.
We have countless peer reviewed studies with an amount of raw data that is borderline unfathomable, regarding the safety and efficacy of these medications. People’s lives are made significantly better because of psychiatry. They often literally save people from suicide.
Either you’ve got a lot to learn about how science and medicine works, or you’re being extremely disingenuous.
peer reviewed. and who are the peers of psychiatrists? are they psychiatrists? because, again, I have met psychiatrists. they are very enthusiastic about authority, and not enthusiastic about being questioned. Doctors are human, they echo the shitty cultures they’re in, of course. in my experience psychiatrists are the worst about this. they’re generally more authoritarian and more hostile than any other field. my disposition towards them is shaped by my interactions with them. I do not trust psychiatrists to be more scientific or less likely to black bag me more than I trust a scientologist to do the same, and I’m a queer who lives in socal.
why do people outside the developed world, with some of the most severe mental illnesses, tend to have better outcomes with conditions like schizophrenia even without these medications available? I do not think psychiatrists genuinely help people. It feels like capitalism, where they take everything and give you back some table scraps.
like I said; the pharmacology of the human brain is EXTREMELY interesting to me, and the disposition of psychiatrists means I will never get to see it properly fucking studied. this makes me angry and sad.
Oh ok… So you straight up just don’t understand the scientific method. Yikes… I honestly don’t know what to say other than that you should really try to learn more about the peer review process, how drugs and treatments are tested before becoming mainstream, etc.
Would love to see some evidence to back this claim up. I know you won’t provide it because you cannot, because it’s simply not true. And it’s kind of concerning that someone would even believe this in the first place.