Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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    3 days ago

    Okay. Us Europeans want to cede Florida.

    Come on now, Rubio. You’re the one who opened up your big mouth.

  • CAVOK@lemmy.world
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    I propose Ukraine cede Kentucky to the Russians. Or maybe one of the Carolinas, I don’t think the US really needs two of them.

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    So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
    The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a “reason” to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.

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    Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says “the war needs to end”, drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country’s natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

    Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won’t stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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      Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn’t vote because they were upset with Democrat’s handling of foreign affairs?

      Clown country.

      • alkbch@lemmy.ml
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        Do you remember when the Biden Harris administration provided military, financial and diplomatic support for a genocide that lead to hundred of thousands of casualties? No wonder people didn’t want to vote for them.

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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        I’d do it again, rather get expropriated and deported from this micky mouse country than use what little political input I have to endorse a genocide

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          I think the point here is that, rather than endorse a genocide, you endorsed 2 genocides, and everything else that this administration does. I get that even one genocide is too much, but for that one you could be calling your representative and writing letters and doing whatever else you can to people who might care about those actions.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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            you could be calling your representative and writing letters and doing whatever else you can to people who might care about those actions.

            my representatives are Democrats, they didn’t care

            you endorsed 2 genocides

            by lying about Bidens nonfunctioning brain Democrats created this situation. my vote had zero impact

  • Lit@lemmy.world
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    I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

    This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

    Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

    • commander@lemmings.world
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      Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

      Ukraine had security “guarantees” when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

      • Lit@lemmy.world
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        Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

        Don’t need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

  • CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca
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    Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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      What about the security “guarantees” Ukraine already had?

      I guess it’s only a guarantee if it’s guaranteed at least twice? Lol.

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    Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

    • commander@lemmings.world
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      Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.

      If Ukraine didn’t make concessions for a peace deal, Russia will just continue winning the war and Ukrainians will have even less.

      Sorry to all the new people in this world that fell for the propaganda machine. Hopefully this can be a learning experience for you all (it won’t.)

      • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com
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        You don’t get it though, Russia bad. Therefore, throwing your male population through forced conscription into the meat grinder with no expectation of winning is based and cool and patriotic.

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            Yes, Russia is a borderline fascist empire as it stands now, and its government deserves extreme criticism for it. Sad consequence of dismantling the Soviet Union and selling it to the most corrupt bidder under the supervision of MIT economists.

            What’s your point anyway? That sending people to the meat grinder in Ukraine is good actually by either side of the proxy inter-imperialist conflict?

            • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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              People being dead is not good of course. What choice does the Ukrainian government have though other than to defend their country?

                • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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                  Specifically how? They were okay with neutrality before the genocidal war inflicted on them. They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.

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    “Turns out, Russia doesn’t want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it’s high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace.”

    • Little Marco in a week