starryoccultist

This whole thing isn’t going to pass. Trump/Hegseth are only external expressions of the fundamental rot at the heart of America’s social, political and economic systems. America is in terminal decline and putting guardrails around the presidency is too little, too late

Didn’t say it was, and that’s absolutely not where I’m going. There’s a huge difference between dismantling the power of a geopolitical state in order to stop it from committing a genocide (which is what most people mean when they say “Israel doesn’t have a right to exist”) and the genocide of that state’s people. Don’t conflate the two

When the Nazi German state was dismantled following WWII, was that a genocide against the German people? Did the Third Reich have a right to exist?

Would trying Hitler and his leadership for crimes against humanity have been sufficient on its own? Of course not, the entire Nazi German state apparatus needed to be dismantled.

You said Israel is currently governed by ultranationalists engaged in genocide that need to be stopped.

Consider this question: What exactly needs to happen for Israel to “be stopped?” There’s been recent polling showing that something like 80% of the population supports what’s currently happening in Gaza and 2/3rds of the population oppose allowing ANY humanitarian aid in. Therefore removing Netanyahu and the current government is not sufficient - a new government would be voted in that will immediately continue where they left off.

No, because I agree with you. You just need to take it a step farther and follow your argument through to its logical conclusion

A few years ago (prior to Oct 7) I was exactly where you are now. I thought I got it then, too.

You’re so close to getting it

Israeli politics are dominated by right-wing hardliners who need constant conflict with the Palestinians for their own political survival. Netanyahu himself has constructed his entire political identity around being the only person who can be trusted with Israel’s security. As long as this is the case, what the Israeli population wants or doesn’t want is immaterial