I would encourage you to watch some of the “atheist call-in” shows on youtube so you understand better just how serious the brainwashing in religion is, and how it has a base motivation to attack and drown out systems of thinking like science and reason.

You’re not in here supplying people with a way to harmonize conflicting belief systems, because science isn’t a fucking belief system. Anyone who has already been through this journey already knows this, this is why you’re getting hammered in the comments here.

Which group is more common in this comment section?

Lemmy is a predominantly young, leftist or liberal community, religion is going to be a minority here in all regards. When you come in “both siding” religion broadly, you’re asking a lot of people who already have discarded religion to accept some part of it without giving a good reason or argument why.

You don’t need religion to come up with morality, philosophical ideas about nature or anything else religion claims to have the monopoly on. It’s fine if people want to have belief for themselves about higher powers or spirituality, but again, that shouldn’t even be placed on the same table as actual systems of reason and logic and material science.

Yah, that’s not the problem, it’s the fact that religion is designed to push itself where it isn’t, and it claims to be able to solve not just the moral problems, but the logical and societal problems as well.

If religion was just fucking “philosophy” we would all be fine with it, there would be no conflict. Science isn’t trying to invade people’s homes and tell them what they can and cannot do as consenting adults. Science isn’t trying to give people an excuse to be passive about injustice. Science doesn’t condone slavery and hate and violence and organize mass numbers of people to adopt hateful views.

There is material HARM that comes from religious ideology because it’s trying, and has BEEN trying to supplant logic and reason and the scientific process since science became a thing.

This is not a “two sides” issue and I strongly resent the framing as such. Religion is trying to drag the world down to a state of willful ignorance and subservience to magical-thinking as an entity, and science is just a word to describe a process for investigating the universe. They are not equivalent. Do better.

Really good point and in cases like this we should all be a lot more concerned with people who seem obsessive about a given subject. It’s not a coincidence that so many crackpot Q-anon “save the children from the demon vampires” nutcases were actually themselves pedos who were caught, or that Q-anon STARTED on a pedophile message board.

Also, the almost universal knee-jerk response that we have as a society broadly to child predation makes a helluva mask for trampling on the rights of others and making a scapegoat that will be condemned in the public court long before any charges are brought up. Creative editing and a thirst for views can make the producers of this content work harder to portray events out-of-context.

I’m sure there are plenty of actual predators who are worried about being hit with a sting, but I have seen more than a handful clips of these rogue pedo-hunters going after like, 21-year-old boys and their 17-year-old girlfriends, and people who looked genuinely confused and seemed railroaded into meeting someone.

I know this message will never stick with the wildly reactionary and emotional viewership who needs to hear it, but we make vigilantism illegal for a damn good reason, and just because Dateline managed to stay above the waterline for the most part, that doesn’t mean some operation of randos you know nothing about on youtube have both the best intentions and the legal acumen to actually make a difference. They may well be making the problem worse by setting up situations where stings against child predators could become outlawed.

100%.

There is an old trope about arsonists, they either become criminals or they become firefighters.

At least with firefighters, we don’t have to worry about if the firefighter is going to get the fire in a room alone later.

Wow, just TYPICAL that one of you people would just IGNORE the fact that the object is actually an accumulation of particles that were formed in a number of astronomical events over billions of years, I guess you don’t even CARE about the rich history that went into this object before your precious “geology” worked on it, and only care if it’s “well rounded.”

I would much rather see a concerted effort to like not do wars, instead of this overtly obvious attempt to stir the pot.

I work in academia, and there is quite the abundance of closed mindedness and dogmatism

Are we talking about discrimination against young or foreign academics not getting grants and degrees because of bias about who should be the ones leading research and hesitancy to invest time, money and political capital into new tech, or are we talking about “They didn’t want to read my paper about how I think the sun pooped out the Earth and why this is evidence for God”?

Seriously, that’s a loaded claim, you need to provide some context and nuance there, I haven’t met many actual scientific-minded people who are dogmatic, that is usually the exact accusation thrown out by theists who are butthurt that evolution exists and can’t be disproven.

As one of the current generation of adults who grew up with afternoon cartoons, G.I. Joes, transformers and all the greatest movies that are so incredibly nostalgic now, I feel internally like I pretty much stopped developing mentally around age 25 and am still “with it” about much of society, but younger people now seem to think I was around during the civil war.

Reading discussions on even Lemmy between people 20 - 30, referencing how anyone over 40 is in like, an entirely different “category” for literally any topic. Makes me feel like a shriveled mummy sometimes.

It was all pretty funny and silly and I didn’t think much of it until I tried getting a new job in my same field recently and it became abruptly clear that I was the oldest person applying for those positions even though I had been doing that work and had that experience for years and years, hiring managers always prioritize younger candidates who are more naive, seem more energetic, and are more desperate to succeed so are more willing to compromise on things like pay and benefits.

It took a year and a half to get a new job and that was only because I knew someone who knew someone. Middle-aged people are basically treated like elderly in many fields and hiring managers will always have a bias towards people younger than themselves or people who look or act more like themselves. This isn’t malicious, this is just basic human behavior. This is why we had initiatives to remind people of their biases and reconsider candidates who might not seem to fit the “Standard” you might be unconsciously leaning towards.

Polls generally are complete garbage.

If I become Supreme Leader of the US (it seems a lot more probable than it used to) I will make public polls illegal. If you want to poll people you need to do it in the privacy of your own home with the curtains drawn.

I miss boring liberal America where our absurd bullshit was just ours and not leaking out into the world.

Just remember that evolutionary biology is largely considered quack science, often by evolutionary biologists themselves (at least in terms of how ev-bio is used to write papers and books about how horny men and women act in bars, and why your Tinder profile isn’t working and what it “means” when she texts you a certain way.)

I’m still completely confused how you seem to be shifting your stances around. Despite how much fun you seem to be having trolling everyone, I do NOT find recreational enjoyment arguing with people who don’t know how to string words together, so I will block you to end this, you’re on your own with everyone else you’ve confused here over the exact same messages.

How is my take bad? I didn’t say don’t own what you like, I said people around you become irrational. That’s factual, not a take. You can choose to react any way you want to it.

That’s right, the wealthiest nation on Earth.

No faster way to make otherwise normal-seeming people go full-on rabies-mode is to make a public statement about a kind of music you don’t like.

It’s wild how people take that as a personal attack. In every instance, in a public space, if you type out distaste in a music genre someone is going to lose all reason and restraint and come at you swinging fucking viking axes.

I don’t like music in major-key but make an exception for Bad Moon Rising by Creedence Clearwater Revival, who specifically talked about how he made the juxtaposition between upbeat music and lyrics about the apocalypse and doom a deliberate choice and made one of the all-time classic songs.

What the fuck are you talking about and who the fuck are you talking to

I don’t know who you’re “angry” with but you’re either soft-defending the people who had the server or doing the worst job in the world specifying who you’re directing criticism at.

The abuse of trust is the problem there, not the trust itself…

There’s no scenario where you’re not the a-hole if you’re going to parrot something someone else told you in private, elsewhere.

I’ve definitely got some bleak ass humor with some friends in private but forwarding messages people sent you in private to other people and group chats? Really?

I think a lot of people here feel like you’re mounting a case against Derek, or at least saying the guys with the discord server are not accountable or less accountable.