She’s my hopeful contender for the future. I would like to see more energetic and educated young people in there with a backbone and a will to fight.

I do not think the public understands progressive policy. This last election was a perfect example. You had Kamala promising down payments on housing, child tax credits and a whole bunch of progressive policy that addressed major voter issues. People voted for raising taxes on themselves instead of the rich. They don’t even want progressivism. Like they proved it 4 months ago. They said it was gay and they wanted to trade social security for billionaire tax cuts. Anything but a black woman!

Ahhhh, thanks… i guess. Gruesome details yay.

I think we need to put the party, the platforms, the voters and our candidates into a realistic perspective and not reflect on Obama and bidens short comings. Progressive policy should be easy to sell because it addresses the needs of many. We have a messaging problem, you dont need to convince the dems to come left you need to convince the independents your policies are better.

Oh we need a better party for sure. No question there. Like i said ideals are extremely removed from the two party system. I love AoC I hope we give her a fair shot. She’s worked hard her whole career and if the firebrand we need. Honest and relatable.

Knowing all that you understand my worries about AoC and the median voter. The DNC would need to get behind her now and start branding hard for 4 years. There’s a lot that goes into getting a mainstream candidate elected, and there’s not much we can do to get some of less centrists re-branded in the face of fox news. I’m not sure the DNC can provide her with the support she needs to win an election, nor will they even endorse her for a senate seat. I would tho.

Ragging on the candidate that won the election is just illogical to me. Ragging on the party that can’t develop young talent is all fair game. Im here for it.

Just this huh not the…. points at dozens of examples of what dictators do

Ya scapegoating imaginary enemies never ended badly for anyone

Just like trump in the white house, we should experience similar trajectories. Maniac in charge sorrounded by yes men.

Bro new fear unlocked. Burning TSLA on a ferry. Fuck me.

Sorry i guess my comment was directed at the person further up the line. I just don’t understand how someone could look at the political landscape of 2012, and come to the conclusion that there was a better candidate out there, but we just didn’t democracy hard enough!

In my mind, and in the face of republican authoritarianism and accelerationism. The perfect candidate to me is any warm body that prevents a republican take over. Now thats not really my political ideal, but thats a political reality. I totally get where you are coming from. I’m frusterated from this endless thread about hindsight rating Dem Presidents while the worst administration in the country is destroying us and our world order.

Also final point im trying to make is if someone has a 2028 candidate or a 2026 candidate whos a perfect progressive, im all ears.

the infighting and canabalizing really can’t happen soon enough at this point. I want that whitehouse looking like Real World 3

Yea i just want to know who was a perfect candidate, who was a perfect president. Which president was better than obama and why? Or are you just unicorn hunting to divide the party. Like is that what you do just find something you dont like about a person and say ‘he’s not perfect so i will not vote’

Thats the vibes i get here. Biden was awful obama was okay, like who do you want running the country, point at a person i can learn about so i can figure out what progressive ideals are about. Seems like its just about hunting for perfection that doesn’t exist.

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I look forward to not expecting your vote against trumps 3rd term. Be sure to keep criticizing the dems in the past and not focusing on the authoritarian coup underway!

Yea he was the perfect candidate to win the 2008. & 2012 elections. I base that on the evidence that he won. breaking an 8 year losing streak. Now i think your criticism applies perfectly to Hillary clinton. I base that on evidence that she lost the 2016 election for not being progressive and populist enough.

I support most progressive causes, I’m starting to get really annoyed with progressives losing us elections because you’d rather have your way than a democratic result. Don’t like how centerist the median voter is? Well thats a you problem not a median voter problem. the third party voters, and non-voters are certianly to blame here. Third party votes were a vote for trump. None of you are progressive you’re active trump supporters.

Yes I lost my grandma to dementia, so I’m a bit offended at you confusing a speach impediment and old age with actual dementia.

I must have clinical dementia too at 35 from smoking to much weed. I forget shit all the time from some light ADD.

Anyway, reality called. You got Dementia Don as president. He’s half as lucid and 3 times as dangerous, and he’s sorrounded by incompetent Yes-men.

I’m done arguing with you. Bidens corpse would be a better president than Trump. Just down vote me and leave me alone.

The only thing funny is pretending that some alternative main stream progressive candidate existed in the 21st century. Who is this mysterious progressive candidate you guys are comparing presidents too.

News flash buddy you ‘more progressive than thou’ liberals are losing elections and the consequences are getting costly.

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I just quoted it underneath the original comment so you can just check that out and I’ll take an apology whenever.

It’s litterally the last sentence in the comment I replied to so yes, I ask you again. Are you okay or did a reach a different person than the one who wrote the comment with this screen name?

You said “not 2012 Obama after we found out he wasn’t much better I literally didn’t…

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We need a candidate like Obama in 08, not 2012 Obama after we found out he wasn’t much better

Bro are you well?