That has literally nothing to do with what I’m talking about. I’m responding to the common idea that religion is somehow a significant motivator for Zionist atrocities, not commenting on the impact of religion in general. Then I explained why I thought that was the (or at least a) point made in the parent comment.

Your comments were unprompted

Huh? I am literally responding to a point made in the parent comment. What the fuck are you even talking about?

“Vote blue no matter who” was blatant hypocrisy, how fucking surprising.

I said “unprompted” for a reason.

Why do we think the comment was about Israeli religion?

Because this is a point Lemmy atheists like to make, and because most people wouldn’t describe imprisonment as “destructive” unprompted so it’s clear they were referring to Israel.

Who’s that above Britain?

I see another Lemmy atheist not realizing Zionism is an aggressively atheist ideology built on enlightenment ideas of nationality at the explicit ezpense of Judaism. What religion did Ben Gurion believe in again?

Anonymous thread aggregators and bad family life, name a better duo.

I guess there is a secondhand market for everything.

Rapists and criminals amirite?

agreeing to a litany of demands that include banning masks at protests and refusing to meet or negotiate with a coalition of pro-Palestinian student groups, according to a statement released Monday.

Zionism furthering authoritarianism, how fucking surprising.

On one hand we have people chilling with espresso and the other is exploding.

As Israel has clearly demonstrated, chilling with espresso is not mutually exclusive with exploding. Also you’re a sick fuck.

I was going to say “Israel for the great good?” but then realized that yes they do in fact believe that. Got me.

Literal parallel reality material. Arabs overwhelmingly support Iran’s antagonization of Israel and wish their own governments would do the same. Source: am Arab.

Because America successfully turned most of the Middle East into US puppet states. There’s a reason most of the region is ruled by autocratic regimes. The only Arabic-speaking country whose government is materially opposed to Israel now is Yemen.

Huh? Okay I’m not a native speaker so I’m not exactly an authority here but I’m 99.999% sure this is either a dialect, extremely local slang or something equally weird. Can someone confirm or deny this? A quick google didn’t turn out anything either.

Goodbye, my dude

PS: I have literally never seen anyone complain about this before. Is this not normal internet English?

Well obviously if you define your “original idea” early enough there’ll be nothing to criticize because they’ll have done nothing yet. But fine. Is plain antisemitic propaganda in 1904 early enough for you? What about “a land without a people for a people without a land” in 1898?

“A Jew brought up among Germans may assume German custom, German words. He may be wholly imbued with that German fluid but the nucleus of his spiritual structure will always remain Jewish, because his blood, his body, his physical-racial type are Jewish. … It is impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his own. In order to become assimilated, he must change his body, he must become one of them, in blood. … There can be no assimilation as long as there is no mixed marriage. … An increase in the number of mixed marriages is the only sure and infallible means for the destruction of nationality as such. … A preservation of national integrity is impossible except by a preservation of racial purity, and for that purpose we are in need of a territory of our own where our people will constitute the overwhelming majority.”

-Ze’ev Jabotinsky (né Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky), Revisionist Zionist leader who co-founded the Jewish Legion of the British Army in World War I, on June 06, 1904

‘National Judaism’ will make the ancient soil fertile. It seems miraculous. Everything natural is miraculous. Once the nation which we Zionists are arousing is fully awakened, things will happen swiftly and dynamically. Then the nation will behold its ancient land beautifully situated on the Mediterranean, with regions of cold, moderate and warm climate – a land suited for any kind of cultivation, with long-dormant natural resources.”

-Literally Theodor Herzl, 1896.

Ben Gurion’s is 1937.

It’s really easy to cherry pick similar statements from people and compare them and make a whole website.

My dude non-fascists don’t say “when we settle [region], [group] will have no choice but to scurry like drugged cockroaches” (dated 1983 btw). Also the site has dates and sources for the quotes; most Zionist quotes are recent but a few are from the 20th century with two from before WWI. They even have one by Herzl himself. Zionism was and continues to use and be predicated on downright Nazi antisemitic propaganda about how Jews can never live with non-Jews and how diaspora Jews are sickly and weak and all that shit. That’s why they shit on Holocaust victims, for instance.

Anyone could argue that “my people deserve this” is a similar ideology.

“My people deserve this land at the expense of its current inhabitants” is fascism, or at least the underpinning thereof, so you’re not wrong there. Nazism, Zionism, Manifest Destiny, it is literally the same thing manifesting in different ways. Look up “blood and soil” and “Lebensraum”. Ben Gurion is literally on record saying “we must remove the Arabs and take their place”. The Nakba started before the founding of Israel. If you have an argument for how the Nakba was anything but fascism, let’s hear it, but so far you’re not saying anything of substance.

But to claim in started out with that intent is just angry jaw flapping.

Okay let’s try this. Try this online quiz and see if you can get more than 15/21.