Wouldn’t that merely be responding to tone?

We can.

Yup, it is problematic when others keep their arguments nearer the bottom. But at least your argument will have been valid. Even if they do attempt childish suppression.

One can even reference Graham’s Hierarchy of Disagreement, and some will still remain on the attack at the bottom. As just happened to me on another thread on lemmy. It harms their credibility, and their cognitive ability.

The chart does not cover fallacies like strawman arguments. Perhaps that’s around a corner of the “pyramid”, on a side not shown.

Could be not even on the chart, or could be suppression.

Orwellian language of the oppressor. But beyond that, yes.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

sometimes there comes a point where all parties realize that there’s just no common ground, or what little there is has been charted. You say one last thing, then it ends.

I suspect (or perhaps am being wishfully optimistic), this may be confirmation bias, and that common ground and progressing dialogue can be rediscovered.

whittled me down to agree after all? That’s where it becomes slightly abusive* imho.

We are each not our arguments, and it serves the dialogue and exploration/search for truth, to rest in this non-attachment. But yes, there’s much risk of misfortune and succumbing to compellingly argued wrongness, failing to find adequate counterargument in a timely manner.

Hah! I didn’t even notice the missing r, even after seeing the more recent saute joke from someone else. N1

And I don’t personally see any fucking reason to own a copy of my music.

And reading that was when I stopped moving the cursor to the upvote arrow. ;-)

But that’s fine, so long as when you own nothing, you’re happy. ;-) /s

I see owning a copy of arts as performing part of a duty to the future, increasing the resilience against the book burners and history re-writers.

I have the music I made on my computer ~ well, technically on my external storage hard drive. And so, I don’t need to stream my music. ;-)

But then, some argue such things as https://soffmimuhod.bandcamp.com/ may not even qualify as music.

Hope better, higher.

Hopefully you can raise it to centrally refuting the point.

Or at least to counterargument, above mere contradiction.

that pyramid makes it look like debate is build on a foundation of violence

A point to raise with Paul Graham (or whoever first depicted it as a “pyramid” graphic), for his appearing like debate is built on a foundation of name-calling.

I ask, because, I’m not sure if the 2nd from bottom level was called “suppression”, nor am I sure (at all) what was the elaboration in the “violence” layer. … But I hope I’ve at least remained faithful to the spirit of it. Eager to hear any corrections. Or even, if anyone finds the original extended version, that would be great to compare to.

Always good to remind Americans the rest of the world exists. ;-)

I enjoyed their pedantry.

True.

Especially when wearing one that’s too big and loose.

Yeah, (as I recall) that bigoted bias in USA gets even more damning when looking at the victim’s demographics instead.

The Karens cry loudest, like they’re the only victims, or like they’re magnanimously mending the situation for everybody, when they’re already the 1%ers of victim pride.

Hush you. Men are supposed to just take it. Women and children first.

No emotional support for men. Keep the demands on them. Keep berating them for striving to meet those demands. Keep taking away their ability to support a family. Keep demanding them to. Keep judging men with the hasty generalisation fallacy, ignoring the statistical outliers. Keep men dying younger. Keep saying “patriarchy” like all men are all advantaged rulers. ;-}

I, for one, for sure, would be grateful for the hard hat in a ROPS event. Even a FOPS event.

My tenuous guess, Scandi/Germanic… But that’s just her in the cab.

I don’t know the machinery well enough to hazard a guess.

But even if still there, then yeah, there’d for sure be safety regs insisting on hard hats all the time on site.