Red Bull - European but Far right

Buy European but … Also with ethical considerations.

Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, … If there is a conspiracy they support it …

(And it’s also not very healthy,…)

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    17 days ago

    Reminder: Arguing and discussion is okay, but keep it civil and do not attack the person you are arguing with.

    Edit: locking discussion as we don’t have enough resources to keep an eye on this post.

    A tip for new users: if you want to continue the discussion of a locked post: there is a community for continuing discussions on locked posts !UnlockThread@lemm.ee.

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      Did you just got here from reddit or what? Or is it some toung in cheek /s stuff too elaborate for me?

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        No, I’m not new. This account is new because you can’t use mod tools properly if your account is on a separate instance from the modded community (e.g. you don’t get reports, can’t sticky stuff, etc).

        And you also might not actually see the whole discussion going on here since you are on lemmy.world due to defederation between lemmy.world and other instances and so. I’m just reminding everyone to keep it civil since this community has had heated discussions before and the discussion easily slips into nationalism, which is against our rules.

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          Are you a moderator? Of .world or maybe on your server? Just trying to figure it out here.

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    I try to buy european but i think it’s important to remind ourselves that we have shit companies in Europe that don’t deserve our business. Red Bull, Nestlé, Müllermilch all these mf can suck it.

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      I’d also throw Bayer into that list. Knowingly had HIV contaminated blood, considered the amount of money they’d lose by destroying it, so they supplied it to patients in Latin America and Asia. Bayer considered the investment they had in the contaminated product, decided NOT to destroy it, for profits sake, and infected thousands of people with it. They misrepresented the results to not lose money and killed thousands.

      I know pharmaceutical companies is a giant mess, but Bayer is on par with Nestle for me.

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      Following this logic i’d end up buying nothing or absolute crap. Example: i really liked Kellogg’s corn flakes and i tried to switch to a local brand (Cerealitalia) but unfortunately it tastes bad. In the biggest supermarket of my town it’s Kellogg’s, Nestlè or Cerealitalia so it’s US, shitty company or shitty product. Same goes for Coca Cola: it’s Coca Cola, Pepsi or the coke with the same brand of the supermarket (tastes meh). I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.

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        I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.

        I think that’s what it’s about. I am not perfect, your are not, nobody is. Time, money, availability of products and all that are constraints that sometimes just don’t allow for a “good” product. Like someone else here wrote: a marathon not a sprint. I try to be happy about good alternatives that i find and not worry to much where i can’t. After all a trip to the supermarket shouldn’t feel like shit.

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    18 days ago

    But also be mindful of the fact that the more rules you add for people to be part of a movement, the less members the movement will have.
    The “Buy European” protest is about sending a message of resistance against the current US regime, as well as reducing reliance on US products.
    It doesn’t require you to only buy ethically spotless products.
    That simply isn’t possible in our system.

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      The post is not a “rule”. OP didn’t even ask people to stop using Red Bull. I’m glad to have more information.

      If you really enjoy Red Bull, you’re an adult, make your choices. Personally, I can take it or leave it, so I’ll choose to leave it.

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    I am permanently banned from making Reddit accounts because I got about 4 of them banned for “promoting violence”.

    The violence? Telling people it was a good thing to punch Nazis. Reddit is a Nazi safe space.

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      Remember when you could say things like “The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi”? Wasn’t even that long ago.

      Seriously, fuck Nazis. All of a sudden you’ve got Nazis in government and we’re supposed to act like you should tolerate that shit. Hmmm.

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      Interestingly, the site wide rules about violence are only supposed to be credible calls to action. Like if someone was actually planning to murder people and coordinating it on the site.

      Saying you’d like to punch someone, even if they aren’t a Nazi, isn’t against the rules as they are written. Either they don’t understand their own rules, they are lazy fuckers who don’t want to do their jobs the correct way and actually investigate shit to make sure it actually violates the rules, or they are Nazi pieces of shit.

      Not one of these things makes using the site sound like a good idea.

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        A system is what it does. Action matters more than intent. Reddit bans anti Nazi rhetoric, therefore it is a pro Nazi website.

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      I got a warning for upvoting pro-Canada stuff like “elbows up”. That is apparently promoting violence.

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    18 days ago

    They also support Israel’s apartheid and occupation, they are listed on the NoThanks app.

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    18 days ago

    Wait really? I live in the US granted but I don’t want to support any company that does heinous shit like this.

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      It’s greatly exaggerated, on ServusTV they just have all kind of people, so sometimes stupid people are there too. They have this format „Rechts-Links-Mitte“ (right left center) where they typically have around five people with heavily varying positions discussing with each other. So no, it’s not them supporting conspiracies but rather trying to find people for these discussions. On the other hand it means that the others get the chance to debunk fake news and conspiracies in those discussions, potentially getting viewers to change their position. You don’t achieve that by making these people not watch any discussions because “their guy” isn’t there anyway.

      Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back (blame on the parties for making decisions that led to losing voters to the FPÖ) (to clarify, I didn’t vote for the FPÖ and never world, I’m heavily opposing quite a few of their policies - regardless I can’t deny that they wouldn’t be as strong if our other parties acted differently, many people simply are voting for the FPÖ to express their protest which is why its good to discuss about what the other parties should change).

      ServusTV also has great documentaries (mostly about Austria and neighbouring countries, for example about a group of mountains (sometimes even singular mountains), or about hiking trails, mountainbiking routes, ski touring, climbing, about a river, a lake, a city, a castle, a church, …).

      My favourite aspect is that Red Bull heavily invests in sports, sponsoring many people that wouldn’t be able to follow their (often niche) sport without them.

      Absolutely not a company that deserves a boycott imo. (I don’t buy anything from them though because I usually only drink water.)

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        This sounds dangerous tbh. I do not really watch ServusTV, nor do I know much about Red Bull business practices but stuff like the “Rechts-Links-Mitte” format sounds like they’re giving right wing extremists a platform to spread their misinformation and rhetoric. It might sound like a good idea to have opinions from all different kinds of people but media companies should have a moral duty to educate viewers and not foster misinformation by acknowledging every single opinion. That’s why you should be careful with things like these.

        Furthermore the wikipedia article does mention ServusTV spreading misinformation about the covid vaccines, citing DerStandard and Tagesschau articles from 2021.

        So all in all it seems the political reports on ServusTV should be taken with some suspicion. That does not mean they can’t have nice documentaries or sport broadcasts though.

        As for Red Bull, they can’t really let ServusTV spread misinformation without actually supporting it. Probably makes them more money in some way. Might be a good idea to try out a suitable alternative energy drink if there is one.

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    Holy shit what is up with the reddit mods? I posted a screenshot of a Mastodon post there yesterday, that basically said if youre switching us big tech for eu big tech you’re not doing enough and that we have to support decentralized tech. Deleted in 5 minutes because it “posts should be relevant to european made products”

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      I mean i prefer a faceless capitalist conglomerate from Europe to one from the US but it sure doesn’t feel great.

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      Servus TV is a TV station based in Wals-Siezenheim in the Austrian state of Salzburgand owned by Red Bull Media House GmbH, a subsidiary of Red Bull GmbH, which also publishes the magazine Servus in Stadt und Land. The station is the successor to Salzburg TV, founded in 1995 and rebranded in 2009. It is politically aligned with the far right.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServusTV

      C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.

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        Damn, “Servus in Stadt und Land” doesn’t even need a translation to realize how racist it is.

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          Maybe next time use a translator just in case before commenting mate. Servus is the name of the TV station, “in city and country” is very hard for me, impossible really, to find anything racist in it.

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            I grew up in “the city in the country.” Look up “Poway.” It’s a dog whistle. Temecula is doing the same thing.

            “Motto: “The City in the Country” ; Location in San Diego County ; Poway, California is located in San Diego County, California.”

            "The motto of Temecula, California is “Old Traditions, New Opportunities”

            You guys need to catch up with what’s going on.

            They’re doing the same exact thing. It’s “make the land I’m from, return to normalcy.”

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    after having lived in Austria…I’m not buying anything from that racist nazi country.