• Hellfire103@lemmy.caOP
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      18 days ago

      Going from lawful to chaotic, good to evil, we have:

      • Gecko (Firefox, Seamonkey, and derivatives)
      • Servo
      • Libweb (Ladybird)
      • Links2 (as well as ELinks and other forks)
      • WebKit (used in a lot of stuff, namely Safari and GNOME Web)
      • Goanna (Pale Moon and Basilisk)
      • QtWebEngine (Konqueror, Falkon, and qutebrowser)
      • Blink (Chromium, Brave, and derivatives)
      • Trident (Internet Explorer, old versions of Maxthon, old versions of Avant, and any homemade browser created with Visual Studio).
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            18 days ago

            What’s going on? I’ve seen this new browser engine referenced recently a decent bit but I have no info beyond ‘it’s new and exists’.

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              the lead dev is a freeze peach absolutist. he’s said some ignorant shit about trans people and when people said “hey, let’s adjust this language” he was like “let’s not get political”

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                  the ladybird dev wants to work with people who want me dead. so. yeah, fuck him. mozilla ain’t great, but they’re the least dangerous engine builders right now. servo would be a better engine for us to rally around, but everyone would rather talk about the less mature, more fascist accepting, project.

                  nazis are bad. that’s the hill i’m willing to die on. this is bigger than a browser engine.

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    17 days ago

    Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it’s improving quite quickly.

    I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like… seriously?

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        I’ll give my take on it. Something many fail to grasp is that it’s not about a singular thing, you need to look at the context. Let’s go through some of it:

        • Andreas Kling, lead developer of (now-)Ladybird, rejects PR that changes “he” to “they” in documentation.
          • This is the most frequently mentioned example of Andreas’ issues.
          • The “he” in question referred to any user, where “they” is already commonly used instead by everything from companies, to news, to the Linux Kernel docs (an arguably much more important software project).
          • Andreas’ exact words: “This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics.”
          • This code was eventually merged 3 years laters in a different PR, this time described as “Grammar fixes” (it changes even more pronouns to gender neutral than the original did).
          • Someone got his attention and tried to explain to him why that’s not cool; he doubled down, assuming the worst from the original contributor.
        • Andreas Kling likes interacting with far-right, queerphobic, or otherwise controversial persons.
        • Other quirky things about Andreas that could be irrelevant in isolation but… please, put the pieces together. I’m begging you, look at the full picture. Is there truly nothing off about all of this?

        Would I look at that PR and say I’m not touching Andreas with a ten-foot pole? Maybe that’s excessive. Would I ignore all the rest and say he’s just misunderstood? Hell no. For all its issues, I do hope Ladybird succeeds as a new browser engine because the internet needs more of those. But I cannot support it until Andreas gets his shit sorted.

        P.P.S. I’m tired, of all this.

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      People are losing their shit, calling for boycotts, and throwing around accusations of transphobia over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation? Seriously? And brigading the developer three years after the fact‽ I was ready to write off Ladybird, but damn, this was taken way out of proportion.

      I’m all in for equal treatment, but people need to get a perspective. Such an extreme reaction will ultimately hurt the cause they’re trying to advocate for. Getting bent out of shape and publicly brigading something for every perceived slight, every time someone’s feelings are hurt, or can’t get their way, will get them – and the demographic or movement they represent – labelled as undesirable.

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        A single line of documentation? How about looking into some context? Hurt feelings my ass, Andreas isn’t some innocent, silly little guy who never does anything questionable.

        And which cause exactly are you talking about? Because I don’t know about you, but I’ll stand for real, marginalized people over lines of code on a screen any day.

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          Thanks for sharing that linked comment. I knew there were other things that weren’t as talked about, but I didn’t have the energy to look into them and draft a comprehensive insight with citations.

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            Whenever I post such things, I get a small wave of displeased people. Rarely get thanks, though. Even if it takes a bit of effort, and I inevitably find yet more stuff. That’s ok, praise obviously isn’t the point.

            But it demoralized me a little, how there’s always downplaying. It’s never enough. I can say Brendan Eich is homophobic, ideally you shouldn’t support him, and someone will tell me he invented javascript, and that makes it ok (my entire point is thus null, I am overreacting).

            Your thanks encourage me to uselessly annoy and present no arguments a bit longer. Thank you.