cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/61295662

Germany’s next chancellor signaled his willingness to provide Ukraine with long-range Taurus cruise missiles, marking a potential shift in Berlin’s military support as Kyiv continues to press for more high-precision weapons to hit deep into Russian-held territory, The Financial Times reported on April 13.

Friedrich Merz, leader of the center-right Christian Democrats (CDU) and the expected successor to Olaf Scholz said that Germany should participate in supplying Taurus missiles if a joint decision is reached with European allies.

“Our European partners are already supplying cruise missiles,” Merz said. “The British are doing it, the French are doing it, and the Americans are doing it anyway.”

“This must be jointly agreed. And if it is agreed, then Germany should take part,” he added.

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    • mholiv@lemmy.world
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      It’s as close to perfectly ethical as weapon sales can be. Ukraine defending itself is an open and shut case for a just war. Particularly so because Ukraine does not target civilian homes etc.

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        No. It is not. Ukrainian proletarians kill Russian proletarians and the other way around. Surely, Russia invaded the Ukraine. And they target civilian infrastructure. However, the EU has an interest in the war continuing to justify armament and to export capital to the Ukrain. That is why the EU countries did not do anything when China and Brasil wanted to stop the war by diplomacy. And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war. If there really was a moral reason to help the Ukraine defend itself than the same would be applied to Palastine whoever somehow here the one g3n0c1ding is aided.

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          Can you think of a more just war?

          1. Russia promises territorial integrity in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

          2. Ukraine says yes and gives up nuclear weapons.

          3. Russia and Ukraine agree and sign a treaty.

          Russia invades Ukraine?!?!

          I personally can not think of a more just war.

          It’s a defensive war against an imperialist aggressor who signed a treaty promising not to invade in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

          Open and shut case.

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            Where did you disproof any of my claims? This war could have been over long ago without the Proletariat of more than two nations being decimated. But this would stand in the way of capital interest, which is why the peace talks of China and Brazil were ignored by the west. If you want to argue then address my point please.

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              The war could have never started if Russia had honored the treaty that it signed.

              Your points are not worth trying to disprove. You make the claims you bring the proof.

              The main point is that Ukraine is fighting a just war and I showed why. You can’t name a more just war.

              This will be my last reply. There is no point in discussing anything more with a less than one day old account. I would recommend using your main account. It at least will be more credible.

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          And that is the only way: China needs to perusade Russia into ending the war.

          There’s another way - Ukraine beats the shit out of Russia, which they currently do. Russia’s reserves of the soviet union are drained fast and they cant produce weapons of war quickly enough, let alone provide more soldiers for the meat grinder.

          Arming Ukraine to the teeth to enable it to fend for itself is 100% the right choice.

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            Interestinly the people claiming this also claimed that years ago and are the same people claiming the EU has to rearm as Russia might attack NATO countries.

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              I don’t get your point. Russia still might attack NATO countries and we should’ve rearmed years ago.

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                  Wdym war propaganda, I want ukraine to remain a sovereign nation. And you can only enforce that with military power. Idk why you drink the cool-aid served by pro-russian powers within europe that claim you can “talk” to a mad dictator, but I hope it at least tastes good.

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      Undoubtedly yes there will be deaths, but the previous Taurus strikes where used to destroy ammunition, weapons vehicles and other military supplies in Russian territory. So maybe its getting rid of some death causing things aswell. Just a thought.

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          Did the west ignore russias offer to completely withdraw from Ukraine so they could once again live in peace?
          I must have missed that.

          Or are you just a russian shill thinking we should reward them for invading, raping, torturing and murdering thousands of people? Surely not, as that would be quite stupid…

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        True, they would make so much money if China does not trade with them… But diplomacy does not work, right? That’s why we don’t try it and it is not us or rather our proletariat that is sacrificed to protect our capital interest and a nation freed from Russia by Nazis using the slogan by the fascists. And yes China is interested, which is why they initiated talkes, but the “peacekeeping west” ignored.

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      Would you rather they not arm Ukraine and so let Russia continue to murder countless soldiers and civilians with no repercussion? Because that’s what would happen.