Dominick Skinner is dedicated to tracking the identities of immigration officials. Hundreds of volunteers have participated in his project, and in the last 30 days alone, his website has received nearly a million visits
“I want to publicly shame them into resigning, because they don’t wear masks for safety. They wear them because they know their neighbors won’t invite them to dinner anymore, that their children or their children’s friends’ parents won’t want them at a baseball game. They care about their personal lives, but not about their safety,” Skinner said in a telephone interview with EL PAÍS from the Netherlands, where he lives.
They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
(hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They’re just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz
They were people, but let’s not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they’re doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.
Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that’s not hyperbole.
The rest of the world (where I’m from) is looking on with extreme concern.
Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.
They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?
That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.
No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.
I lost everything in 2008, my house, my car, everything. I never compromised my morals. There are always more than enough moral career choices to keep from taking the low road.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
If I have to explain what the state kidnapping your only local plumber in a town with plumbing problems is a bad thing then I suggest you join reading group https://mander.xyz/post/38822770
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.
As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.
But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.
Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.
You are totally lost, and have no idea what’s going on.
You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
True, nobody controls the circumstances of their upbringing, but they do control how they react to them. Like MOST people, I internalized a strong moral code that would never let me do many, many things just for the money.
You seem to think that ICE agents are some kind of desperately poor unemployed people who are taking the only job they can get. I have been extremely broke in my life, I was one of those people that lost EVERYTHING in 2008, our house, car, everything. I still didn’t resort to doing anything immoral to feed my family. If being an ICE agent has been an option, not only would I have rejected it, but so would my family.
ALL of those ICE agents grew up in the same nation I did, had the same access to education I did, and could have internalized the same moral code, but either they didn’t, or they are deliberately choosing to ignore it now. That’s not “privilege,” that’s sociopathic.
As for “building bridges,” that might be the dumbest thing you’ve written in all your posts. We aren’t trying to build bridges. These people are truly evil, the same rootstock that produced the Nazis, and there is no appeasing them, no cooperating with them, no working with them. To be partners with them is to embrace evil, and that is 100% unacceptable.
The only solution to MAGA Treason is to crush it mercilessly, ruthlessly, purge it from our government, and prohibit it’s existence in the future.
Dude fuck that, you act like ice aren’t aware that they’re literally just racially profiling people. Most are j6ers and proud boys and three percenters and other white supremacist hate groups. The rest are people that are on with employing fascist tactics on their neighbors. They are cowards and monsters and they know what they’re doing and deserve according treatment.
Well we should probably continue treating them like they aren’t real people with real problems that maybe just dont have good solutions available. That sounds ideal. I’d say the less we treat each others like humans the better, right?
I’m pretty sure ICE agents dont even have the same emotions us Normie’s have. Practically aliens.
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
Cool, I’d like for them to be able to learn to not be Nazis anymore. Its nice that you grew up in a way that made it obvious, but some won’t learn until way later in life.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
I’m here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.
The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.
You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.
Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.
I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I’m using an inaccurate word though?
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.
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They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Being bigoted is not helpful.
(hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They’re just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz
They were people, but let’s not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they’re doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.
Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that’s not hyperbole.
The rest of the world (where I’m from) is looking on with extreme concern.
Yeah things are rough, and then they won’t be and people will need to be able to move on.
If I was in another country though, I’m sure I would dismiss americans humanity too.
If a civil war comes we need to know who isn’t trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.
Your misuse of the word “bigoted” is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.
They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.
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Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.
They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?
That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.
No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.
I dont know, have you ever been that poor? If so, what high road did you manage to take then?
I lost everything in 2008, my house, my car, everything. I never compromised my morals. There are always more than enough moral career choices to keep from taking the low road.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be an angel.
No I just live in reality, not in lemmy echo chambers.
Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
Then you read me incorrectly.
If I have to explain what the state kidnapping your only local plumber in a town with plumbing problems is a bad thing then I suggest you join reading group https://mander.xyz/post/38822770
It’s like you never paid any attention to what we did to the rank and file Nazis…
Did you? What do you think happened to them when the war ended?
A lot of prison time. If not the end of a noose.
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
You’re an ice agent aren’t you?
Nope, I could use the money but its against my values to work there.
Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.
As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.
But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.
Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.
You are totally lost, and have no idea what’s going on.
True, nobody controls the circumstances of their upbringing, but they do control how they react to them. Like MOST people, I internalized a strong moral code that would never let me do many, many things just for the money.
You seem to think that ICE agents are some kind of desperately poor unemployed people who are taking the only job they can get. I have been extremely broke in my life, I was one of those people that lost EVERYTHING in 2008, our house, car, everything. I still didn’t resort to doing anything immoral to feed my family. If being an ICE agent has been an option, not only would I have rejected it, but so would my family.
ALL of those ICE agents grew up in the same nation I did, had the same access to education I did, and could have internalized the same moral code, but either they didn’t, or they are deliberately choosing to ignore it now. That’s not “privilege,” that’s sociopathic.
As for “building bridges,” that might be the dumbest thing you’ve written in all your posts. We aren’t trying to build bridges. These people are truly evil, the same rootstock that produced the Nazis, and there is no appeasing them, no cooperating with them, no working with them. To be partners with them is to embrace evil, and that is 100% unacceptable.
The only solution to MAGA Treason is to crush it mercilessly, ruthlessly, purge it from our government, and prohibit it’s existence in the future.
If you thought I’d read a whole giant wall of text where you call me stupid a dozen times, then you are exactly who I thought you were.
Too bad you didn’t read it, I never called you stupid a single time.
Your own response demonstrated that just fine.
I will say it was only once, but I read it first so I gave up on it. Sorry!
Dude fuck that, you act like ice aren’t aware that they’re literally just racially profiling people. Most are j6ers and proud boys and three percenters and other white supremacist hate groups. The rest are people that are on with employing fascist tactics on their neighbors. They are cowards and monsters and they know what they’re doing and deserve according treatment.
Well we should probably continue treating them like they aren’t real people with real problems that maybe just dont have good solutions available. That sounds ideal. I’d say the less we treat each others like humans the better, right?
I’m pretty sure ICE agents dont even have the same emotions us Normie’s have. Practically aliens.
There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.
Thats a lot of assumptions about why they are doing what they are.
What is being assumed?
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
humanity: noun, meaning humaneness or benevolence. Similar to compassion.
So yes, I do think a lack of humanity is a problem ICE agents exhibit.
If they weren’t nazis, they wouldn’t do nazi shit.
Cool, I’d like for them to be able to learn to not be Nazis anymore. Its nice that you grew up in a way that made it obvious, but some won’t learn until way later in life.
When did I say that? Quote me.
Thats how I interpreted what you said, its not a quote. Reread your own post if you would like.
Which protected class are we being bigoted against?
I’m not here to argue legality.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
You’re here to defend nazis.
I’m here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.
The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.
You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.
Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.
I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I’m using an inaccurate word though?
Throwing away your humility means you don’t get treated as such. Simple as that.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.