• Paragone@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    I realized that my incompetence-in-communicating probably added this mis-communication:

    The inquisitors were Christian, right?

    The fact that what they were doing went against everything their root-guru’s religion was made-of, doesn’t have any bearing, to them.

    Nazism is Christian, in identity.

    The KKK is Christian, in identity.

    Identity has deep roots.


    Cambodia’s Buddhist.

    Has been for centuries.

    Yes, I know that Pol Pot was Communist, but when you raise communism in a country as deeply Buddhist as Cambodia, … you end-up with many of the people in the ruling-regime having “Buddhist” identity, fundamentally in them.

    THAT is what I meant:

    it was the underlying Buddhist-identity, that I was attacking, and not, in any way, pretending that Pol Pot was claiming Buddhism ( which not-even an idiot would claim ).

    You simply can’t raise an institution in any culture, without having that-culture being the underlying identity in the people of that regime.

    That is why Chinese Buddhism is to me partially an oxy-moron:

    Confucianism ( form/tradition/authority/establishment ) is sooo much of the bedrock of the fundamental Chinese mind, and Buddhism is the opposite ( essence, instead-of form, centered ), that the 2 modes of mind are fundamentally mutually-exclusive.

    ( this doesn’t mean that Chinese Chan Buddhism is somehow worthless: it’s got some excellent insights for us!

    However, if one is working at dissolving-beyond-form, then being fundamentally of the form-and-establishment-and-authority-are-LORD religion that Confucianism is, & I’ve linked on other sites to a pair of legal-cases which show Confucianism’s bedrock instinct

    both in Japan & in China, both Confucian-culture ( Japan’s fundamentally more Buddhist & also Shinto ), people have been convicted of murders that they confessed-to, … and then the person they’d “murdered” returned to town, or was found alive.

    In Confucian culture, authority is the LORD.

    Authority beating people into confessing is “valid” ( and cost authority some “face” in those cases, when accountability came knocking ), for authority to do.

    In OUR culture due-process is more real, in Confucian culture … it inherently isn’t.


    Same with truly-Buddhist cultures, like Cambodia.

    Any truly-Buddhist culture which is temporarily ( for a few generations ) highjacked by some physicalist/materialist ideology … the underlying identites of the people staffing the regime is going to remain rooted in the underlying-culture, isn’t it?

    That goes all ways, not just to the traditional-religions, it goes to moneyarchy, it goes to legalism-archy, it goes to physicalism’s religion, it goes to fundamentalist-atheism, it goes to all axiom-based, system-of-meaning that rejects falsification

    ( which is my definition of “religion” ).

    You can’t instantly get the underlying identity out, no matter how you change the apparent identity: it takes generations to do that.

    ( the Soviet Union lasted long-enough to change the fundamental-underlying-identity in people, not completely, but significantly )


    So, you’ve proven I’m incompetent at communicating:

    I meant underlying identity, underneath the party-affiliation or otherwise “flag carrying” “identity”,

    but I appeared to mean something fundamentally-different.

    Typical…

    My inability to think the way proper, acceptable, valid, western-minds think, keeps creating miscommunications & problems.

    That isn’t likely to cease, as long as I continue earning more-complete understanding, instead of remanufacturing me to make me be acceptably-conforming/“belonging”/etc.

    That underlying-level & surface-level both affect outcomes, is to me sooo obvious as to be automatically-assumed.

    Normals don’t assume any such thing.

    Incompetence-at-communicating can have many causes.

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