• PhilipTheBucket@quokk.auM
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      11 hours ago

      Yes, parent comment is shitty, but no you can’t tell people on Lemmy to kill themselves.

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          10 hours ago

          Because once you start laying down the rules for what people are and are not allowed to say about some particular world situation, it’s hard to know when to stop.

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            10 hours ago

            So let’s remove all rules. How about allowing all kind of racism, celebrating people death or torture because once you start laying down the rules for what people are and are not allowed to say about some particular world situation, it’s hard to know when to stop. What a dumb logic

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              10 hours ago

              Because there’s degrees to this shit? Speech isn’t some black and white clean line. We have to make a judgement call, and being cold hearted can be tolerated whereas racism can’t.

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                10 hours ago

                Racism is harmful, justifying human right abuses because the victim expected the abuse to happen is also harmful and show how uncivilized you guys are

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                  10 hours ago

                  That’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it. I know where i stand on support for Palestine, and am not bothered by your opinion there.

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              10 hours ago

              https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/slippery-slope-fallacy/

              I won’t try to speak for any “objective” standard here, I’m just saying the way I see it. Having a viewpoint about the Gaza flotilla protestors that is, to me, just objectively wrong, is okay. Telling another Lemmy commenter that they, the Lemmy commenter, should kill themselves is not. I can see how there could be debate about the first thing, but the second one is forbidden in practically every place on Lemmy that I know of.

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                10 hours ago

                https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/slippery-slope-fallacy/

                Lol it is you who started using that fallacy

                Because once you start laying down the rules for what people are and are not allowed to say about some particular world situation, it’s hard to know when to stop.

                I just used the same logic of you to prove that your argument is so dumb

                Having a viewpoint about the Gaza flotilla protestors that is, to me, just objectively wrong, is okay.

                You can think the idea of those Flotilla is wrong but you can justify their members to be mistreated by Israel. Why are you ok with people blaming the victim? Why are you allowing things that civilized people and international laws don’t accept?

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                  I just used the same logic of you to prove that your argument is so dumb

                  Fair enough, I guess. My point was that personally I don’t feel comfortable saying that people can only say viewpoints about world events that I’m comfortable with or that I think are right.

                  It’s fine to reply to the wrong person and say “WTF, that is victim blaming, you are wrong.” To me, the evils that arise when a moderator steps in and says “That is victim blaming, not permitted,” and deletes the comment, far outweigh the harm of just having to pick through some wrong comments every now and then while you are reading your comments sections.

                  You can think the idea of those Flotilla is wrong but you can justify their members to be mistreated by Israel. Why are you ok with people blaming the victim?

                  You need to direct these questions at the person that made the comment, not at me.

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                    10 hours ago

                    You need to direct these questions at the person that made the comment, not at me.

                    No, i expect a responsible admin to oppose justifying human right abuses and do their job of removing those victim blaming comments