• stoy@lemmy.zip
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    6 days ago

    If you are just going to reject one of the biggest driving forces of human beings, then you don’t want a serious discussion.

    Greed is absolutely part of it, people want to maximize their gains, be it money, health, security or resources.


    But since you don’t accept that answer, what is your explanation for a refugee that keeps walking through safe country after safe country before finally finding the specific country they accept?

    Why should refugees get to pick and choose a specific EU country to live in?

    Why would legitimate refugees’s discard their papers?

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      5 days ago

      what is your explanation for a refugee that keeps walking through safe country after safe country before finally finding the specific country they accept?

      Huh? Because it is safe obviously.
      Everyone wants a better chance of better living.
      And refugees are already moving.
      Since they are already moving why not move to a country with better chance of better living?
      If they hear “so-and-so country has better chance of better living” of course they are going to choose that, again, because they are already moving.

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      5 days ago

      I didn’t say greed can’t be part of it, but anti immigration folks position it as the primary or significant motivator, but:
      If they were primarily motivated by greed, the would have immigrated long ago.
      And their objection seems to be primarily motivated by greed, the want more and they perceive that immigrants will prevent them from getting more. So why is their greed ok but immigrant greed isn’t?

      What is my explanation? I don’t need one, you’re the one saying it’s greed, it’s up to you to prove that in the face of an entirely reasonable counterargument.
      But I’ll give you one anyways - they’re looking for a place that they can belong, which isn’t necessarily going to be the first place they arrive. They’re looking for the ability to support their family, which isn’t greed.
      Why shouldn’t refugees get to pick what country they move to, like any EU citizen can?

      Why would legitimate refugees discard their papers? You tell me, why would having papers be worse than not having papers? That practically screams that something is either very wrong with the system, or that this is simply a dishonest claim.