Hamas is a violent terrorist organization, it just happens to also be the only one even remotely attempting to fight back against Israel’s attacks. There are no “good guys” in this war (barring the victims just trying to live their lives), just bad and worse. Israel has been attacking Palestine both physically and via illegally seizing their land for decades, while Hamas has been staging terrorist attacks against Israel for just as long. It’s hard not to fault the Palestinian people for supporting Hamas when they’re the only ones that are doing literally anything to fight back against Israel, but that also doesn’t make Hamas good. At best they’re a necessary evil.
Hamas doesn’t want peace, they want victory, but Israel doesn’t want peace either, they want to finish the genocide they started decades ago. The only ones that actually want peace are the civilians that are stuck between Hamas and the IDF. Unlike Hamas though the international community supports the IDF even though the IDF is just as guilty of staging terror attacks as Hamas is.
Hamas sabotaged the Oslo Accords, which were the last viable route to a two state solution. They chose to square off against Bibi and his ilk, certain that their god would hand them victory. They´re not a necessary evil, they condemned the entire region to this madness
Oslo was a complete farce, just like any other “deal” Israel was willing to accept.
Not that I necessarily agree with their methods, but Hamas were doing their part to actually represent the large number of Palestinians who were against the Oslo Accords, using the only means at their disposal, unlike the corrupt PLO.
Likud and the settlers bare just as much responsibility for Oslo falling apart as hamas. Probably even more so since they funded hamas in the first place.
Hamas is an anti colonial resistance movement. The only countries that deem Hamas to be terrorists are the colonial Western powers or their vassals. The rest of the world don’t consider them to be terrorists.
Its like calling the Free French army or the Viet Minh terrorists
They’re terrorists because they indiscriminately bomb civilians. If they were an official army they’d be war criminals the same way the IDF are war criminals for also indiscriminately bombing civilians. Anyone who bombs civilians (on purpose) is either a terrorist or a war criminal. People seem to be struggling with this concept that everyone in a conflict can be wrong, even if they have some legitimate grievances with each other.
Israel is absolutely stealing Palestinian land and has been for decades. They need to be evicted and that land returned to the Palestinian people. Palestine needs to be an independent country, Israel has demonstrated that they’re incapable of leaving Palestine alone and a hard border between them is the only approach likely to fix that.
Hamas on the other hand has spent decades killing Israeli civilians and even if there was a two state solution would continue to stage attacks on Israel as a significant portion of their members are Islamic extremists (further complicated by support from neighboring Islamic countries that hate the idea of a Jewish state for religious reasons). The problem Palestine faces is that Hamas is the only force they have access to that can do anything against Israel even if that thing is to launch terrorist attacks.
There are strong parallels between Hamas and the IRA, another terrorist organization, but also stark differences. Both organizations have or had legitimate grievances they were responding to, but both also engaged in indiscriminate violence that did little to advance their stated goals. If by some miracle this current war is resolved without the genocide of the Palestinian people (a genocide the current Israeli leadership seems dedicated to) hopefully Hamas disbands the same way the IRA did, but I’m very doubtful of such an outcome, there is far too much religious and ethnic animosity in that region.
In a perfect world Palestine would be its own country, have its own army, and Israel and Palestine would work together to stamp out Hamas. If Israel tried to push into Palestinian territory the Palestinian army would push them back and if it came down to it the Palestinian military and IDF would fight each other. What the Palestinian army wouldn’t be doing is murdering random Israeli civilians the way Hamas is (and if they did Palestine would face sanctions for those war crimes the same way Israel should be currently).
All of this is of course made significantly more complicated by the US primarily but also other countries supporting Israel because they have a terrible relationship with the Islamic countries in the region (for both good and bad reasons) and want a friendly country to use as a military outpost. The US has been far too involved with Israel for decades now and they’ve become far too invested in propping up the current administration (also the US has its own significant issues with its current administration).
Other countries need to stop supporting Israel and sanction them for both their war crimes and their decades of stealing Palestinian land. Hamas needs to be wiped out the same way ISIS does, but not by the IDF who have shown they’re incapable of doing so without engaging in even worse atrocities than Hamas commits.
There is israel the occupier and the oppressor that believe the whole land belong to them and palestinians who sometimes commit act of vengence in response to that. There is only.one bad side.
Your stupid status quo is the reason why israel continue to occupy
Blowing up random civilians isn’t an act of vengeance, that’s exactly the sort of atrocity that Israel is committing now. If Hamas restricted themselves to blowing up IDF bases and attacking IDF soldiers there would be no question that they’re in the right, but they’re mostly killing Israeli civilians which is just as wrong as when the IDF does it to Palestinian civilians. Just because one side is significantly more powerful than the other doesn’t negate that. If the roles were reversed and it was Hamas who was committing genocide against Israel would you still be making this argument?
What’s needed is an independent 3rd party. Israel needs to be forcibly removed from Palestinian land and the IDF disarmed until they can show they can do their job without murdering civilians. Hamas needs to be rooted out and Palestine needs an actual military that will be able to stand up to the IDF. None of that is going to happen under either Hamas or the current Israeli government, both of them would rather just keep murdering civilians.
Vengence never mean legitimate killing but it’s an fact that hamas attrocities is in response to israel attrocities . The only way to end violence is the end of occupation which isrsel will not accept and the hypocrites like you and the countries claiming to care about palestinians refuse to acknowledge.
Israel is the one saying we will never give you the land that the international law say is palestinian. Israel is the one who is always killing negociators israel is the one currently exterminating the other.
Hamas is the one saying they will drop arms once the occupayion end. Even if you don’t believe hamas a real free palestine will have an army to destory hamas. Hamas would lost almost all it’s support since the occupation the source of the problem end unless you arr a racist who think palestinians are bloodthirty who like to kill jews. It’s a fact that hamas din’t have the ability to destroy israel
Hamas is a violent terrorist organization, it just happens to also be the only one even remotely attempting to fight back against Israel’s attacks. There are no “good guys” in this war (barring the victims just trying to live their lives), just bad and worse. Israel has been attacking Palestine both physically and via illegally seizing their land for decades, while Hamas has been staging terrorist attacks against Israel for just as long. It’s hard not to fault the Palestinian people for supporting Hamas when they’re the only ones that are doing literally anything to fight back against Israel, but that also doesn’t make Hamas good. At best they’re a necessary evil.
Hamas doesn’t want peace, they want victory, but Israel doesn’t want peace either, they want to finish the genocide they started decades ago. The only ones that actually want peace are the civilians that are stuck between Hamas and the IDF. Unlike Hamas though the international community supports the IDF even though the IDF is just as guilty of staging terror attacks as Hamas is.
Hamas sabotaged the Oslo Accords, which were the last viable route to a two state solution. They chose to square off against Bibi and his ilk, certain that their god would hand them victory. They´re not a necessary evil, they condemned the entire region to this madness
Oslo was a complete farce, just like any other “deal” Israel was willing to accept.
Not that I necessarily agree with their methods, but Hamas were doing their part to actually represent the large number of Palestinians who were against the Oslo Accords, using the only means at their disposal, unlike the corrupt PLO.
Ok no “deal”, so “battle to the death” it is then!
Likud and the settlers bare just as much responsibility for Oslo falling apart as hamas. Probably even more so since they funded hamas in the first place.
Hamas is an anti colonial resistance movement. The only countries that deem Hamas to be terrorists are the colonial Western powers or their vassals. The rest of the world don’t consider them to be terrorists.
Its like calling the Free French army or the Viet Minh terrorists
They’re terrorists because they indiscriminately bomb civilians. If they were an official army they’d be war criminals the same way the IDF are war criminals for also indiscriminately bombing civilians. Anyone who bombs civilians (on purpose) is either a terrorist or a war criminal. People seem to be struggling with this concept that everyone in a conflict can be wrong, even if they have some legitimate grievances with each other.
Israel is absolutely stealing Palestinian land and has been for decades. They need to be evicted and that land returned to the Palestinian people. Palestine needs to be an independent country, Israel has demonstrated that they’re incapable of leaving Palestine alone and a hard border between them is the only approach likely to fix that.
Hamas on the other hand has spent decades killing Israeli civilians and even if there was a two state solution would continue to stage attacks on Israel as a significant portion of their members are Islamic extremists (further complicated by support from neighboring Islamic countries that hate the idea of a Jewish state for religious reasons). The problem Palestine faces is that Hamas is the only force they have access to that can do anything against Israel even if that thing is to launch terrorist attacks.
There are strong parallels between Hamas and the IRA, another terrorist organization, but also stark differences. Both organizations have or had legitimate grievances they were responding to, but both also engaged in indiscriminate violence that did little to advance their stated goals. If by some miracle this current war is resolved without the genocide of the Palestinian people (a genocide the current Israeli leadership seems dedicated to) hopefully Hamas disbands the same way the IRA did, but I’m very doubtful of such an outcome, there is far too much religious and ethnic animosity in that region.
In a perfect world Palestine would be its own country, have its own army, and Israel and Palestine would work together to stamp out Hamas. If Israel tried to push into Palestinian territory the Palestinian army would push them back and if it came down to it the Palestinian military and IDF would fight each other. What the Palestinian army wouldn’t be doing is murdering random Israeli civilians the way Hamas is (and if they did Palestine would face sanctions for those war crimes the same way Israel should be currently).
All of this is of course made significantly more complicated by the US primarily but also other countries supporting Israel because they have a terrible relationship with the Islamic countries in the region (for both good and bad reasons) and want a friendly country to use as a military outpost. The US has been far too involved with Israel for decades now and they’ve become far too invested in propping up the current administration (also the US has its own significant issues with its current administration).
Other countries need to stop supporting Israel and sanction them for both their war crimes and their decades of stealing Palestinian land. Hamas needs to be wiped out the same way ISIS does, but not by the IDF who have shown they’re incapable of doing so without engaging in even worse atrocities than Hamas commits.
There is israel the occupier and the oppressor that believe the whole land belong to them and palestinians who sometimes commit act of vengence in response to that. There is only.one bad side.
Your stupid status quo is the reason why israel continue to occupy
Blowing up random civilians isn’t an act of vengeance, that’s exactly the sort of atrocity that Israel is committing now. If Hamas restricted themselves to blowing up IDF bases and attacking IDF soldiers there would be no question that they’re in the right, but they’re mostly killing Israeli civilians which is just as wrong as when the IDF does it to Palestinian civilians. Just because one side is significantly more powerful than the other doesn’t negate that. If the roles were reversed and it was Hamas who was committing genocide against Israel would you still be making this argument?
What’s needed is an independent 3rd party. Israel needs to be forcibly removed from Palestinian land and the IDF disarmed until they can show they can do their job without murdering civilians. Hamas needs to be rooted out and Palestine needs an actual military that will be able to stand up to the IDF. None of that is going to happen under either Hamas or the current Israeli government, both of them would rather just keep murdering civilians.
Vengence never mean legitimate killing but it’s an fact that hamas attrocities is in response to israel attrocities . The only way to end violence is the end of occupation which isrsel will not accept and the hypocrites like you and the countries claiming to care about palestinians refuse to acknowledge.
Israel is the one saying we will never give you the land that the international law say is palestinian. Israel is the one who is always killing negociators israel is the one currently exterminating the other.
Hamas is the one saying they will drop arms once the occupayion end. Even if you don’t believe hamas a real free palestine will have an army to destory hamas. Hamas would lost almost all it’s support since the occupation the source of the problem end unless you arr a racist who think palestinians are bloodthirty who like to kill jews. It’s a fact that hamas din’t have the ability to destroy israel
I don´t think your definition of ´the occupation´ is the same as Hamas´
It is . It is pre-67 borders so all the Gaza Strip and all the West Bank, and all East Jerusalem.
Do you deny that Israel also claim there is no occupation and that all the Palestinian land belong to them ?