May have confused it with the original more considered version that got munched.
What?
What was the thing you repeated that you had heard, but that isn’t actually your position? I’m just confused by this.
Not really trying to give you a hard time, I get what you’re saying about me coming on super-strong about it and I apologize about any kind of harshness. Like I say, it’s just an important issue for me that is connected with real world harm, so I feel like if we can have a slightly upsetting conversation and then be set up for action that can help prevent some massive material harm in the world, that’s okay.
But what if voting in this system doesn’t prevent harm?
Or voting for major party candidates doesn’t prevent harm?
Or voting for major party candidates increases harm long term and is how we got here?
What if putting too much emotional investment into a system designed to enable harm isnt healthy?
Not my position: ’the bullshit and victim blaming about voting is too much, the ratfuvking us too demoralizing, and it hurts my heart to back any of these people or stand side by side with assholes who victim blame me so hard for not endorsing one group of genocidal monsters over another’.
I do not have a (metaphorical) heart, and do not need a hope of victory to act out of spite. Which isn’t to say i don’t have my own reasons one way or another.
But what if voting in this system doesn’t prevent harm?
Or voting for major party candidates doesn’t prevent harm?
Then you need to do more, on top of voting, to try to further reduce the harm. And, also, don’t throw away a crucial tool to move the needle towards “less death and suffering” because it would be way too upsetting.
Not complicated really. Lots of ways of fighting for a better world are upsetting. That’s not really the metric of whether they are worth doing.
Again–Explicitly stating that this is not my position, and why it is not my position. I do not need to hear your scripted reactionary criticism of it fir the thousandth time. This wasn’t new information the first time i heard it.
The Harris 2024 campaign climbed all the way up your asshole and clearly left a lot of its scripted reflexive reactionary bullshit there. You’re just looking for people to attack and shit to strike left about. Fucking stop. This is not helpful. You are not convincing anyone by repeating the same shit. Blaming people for not being convinced by a politician with a multi billion dollar ad campaign is not going to convince them where it failed. It’s just going to make you look like a bitter irrational dick.
I have done good productive work with people who literally wanted me dead. I have done good work with someone I met when they literally held me hostage with a knife to my throat. I do not think i could work with somebody who behaves like you’re behaving right now. Let it go.
You said, “I personally am of the opinion that voting isn’t very important. I think it distracts from real action.” Right?
If that’s not what you said or not what you think, tell me. What’s your position on voting? Is it worth upsetting yourself by voting, if you can then take part in keeping thousands of people out of ICE detention or reduce the US government’s destruction of the planet compared to the alternative? My position is that it is, but tell me.
No idea why you’ve moved to cursing and insulting me.
What?
What was the thing you repeated that you had heard, but that isn’t actually your position? I’m just confused by this.
Not really trying to give you a hard time, I get what you’re saying about me coming on super-strong about it and I apologize about any kind of harshness. Like I say, it’s just an important issue for me that is connected with real world harm, so I feel like if we can have a slightly upsetting conversation and then be set up for action that can help prevent some massive material harm in the world, that’s okay.
But what if voting in this system doesn’t prevent harm?
Or voting for major party candidates doesn’t prevent harm?
Or voting for major party candidates increases harm long term and is how we got here?
What if putting too much emotional investment into a system designed to enable harm isnt healthy?
Not my position: ’the bullshit and victim blaming about voting is too much, the ratfuvking us too demoralizing, and it hurts my heart to back any of these people or stand side by side with assholes who victim blame me so hard for not endorsing one group of genocidal monsters over another’.
I do not have a (metaphorical) heart, and do not need a hope of victory to act out of spite. Which isn’t to say i don’t have my own reasons one way or another.
Then you need to do more, on top of voting, to try to further reduce the harm. And, also, don’t throw away a crucial tool to move the needle towards “less death and suffering” because it would be way too upsetting.
Not complicated really. Lots of ways of fighting for a better world are upsetting. That’s not really the metric of whether they are worth doing.
Again–Explicitly stating that this is not my position, and why it is not my position. I do not need to hear your scripted reactionary criticism of it fir the thousandth time. This wasn’t new information the first time i heard it.
The Harris 2024 campaign climbed all the way up your asshole and clearly left a lot of its scripted reflexive reactionary bullshit there. You’re just looking for people to attack and shit to strike left about. Fucking stop. This is not helpful. You are not convincing anyone by repeating the same shit. Blaming people for not being convinced by a politician with a multi billion dollar ad campaign is not going to convince them where it failed. It’s just going to make you look like a bitter irrational dick.
I have done good productive work with people who literally wanted me dead. I have done good work with someone I met when they literally held me hostage with a knife to my throat. I do not think i could work with somebody who behaves like you’re behaving right now. Let it go.
You said, “I personally am of the opinion that voting isn’t very important. I think it distracts from real action.” Right?
If that’s not what you said or not what you think, tell me. What’s your position on voting? Is it worth upsetting yourself by voting, if you can then take part in keeping thousands of people out of ICE detention or reduce the US government’s destruction of the planet compared to the alternative? My position is that it is, but tell me.
No idea why you’ve moved to cursing and insulting me.
I don’t think either of us is going to get anything else out of this.
Sure, have a good one