• murvel@feddit.nu
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    13 hours ago

    That’s just a flat lie. Communists have never championed Democracy and human rights. PRC, North Korea, Vietnam, the Soviet Union, none promoting either democracy or human rights in practice. What possible state falls into your arguments here, I struggle to think of a single one.

    I mean Cambodia under Pol Pot!? Human rights, what a joke.

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      9 hours ago

      Cuba seems to be pretty good with respect to human rights (especially considering their situation). Don’t they have like the best (and most per capita maybe?) doctors in the world?

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        5 hours ago

        Certainly not democratic since all opposition was abolished, and the press was censored.

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      Communists never championed democracy and rights?

      What do you know of modern Greek history?

      Here is what I wrote:

      Communists were (and are) the people arguing for democracy for human rights and for liberty. And they were the people persecuted and jailed and tortured for this.

      Do you want me to list names of Greek communists who did exactly that and suffered exactly thar? I even have a great-uncle who did several years hard time.

      You say what state falls under this description? I dunno, Chile under Allende? Kerala under several decades of communist government? Uruguay under Mujica? Burkina under Sankara? Or do you want a recent European example, like Cyprus under Christofias? Or do you want examples of countless communist mayors from around the world? I could expand to Chiapas under the Zapatistas or Republican Spain or even Rojava under the SDF but let’s keep revolutionary governments out of the picture.

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        5 hours ago

        Cyprus, Chile and Uruguay? You’ve got to be kidding… these failed states have horrendous human rights records

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      13 hours ago

      There was never one Communism, but many different ones.
      Communism in Italy, for example, was only slightly related to the experience in the CCCP.

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      13 hours ago

      Who stopped Pol Pot?

      For that matter, who colonized Cambodia and Vietnam?

      Where are the memorials for the victims of French imperialism?

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        12 hours ago

        Great whataboutism, but irrelevant to the question at hand

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          11 hours ago

          The question at hand is “why are these French fascists pointing morons at communism when they’re trying to bring back empire” and the answer is “because dumbasses like you buy it and talk about whattaboutism when people point out their hypocrisy.”

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

          Might want to read that btw. You might find the “Defense” section interesting if you’re actually interested in honest rhetoric.

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            10 hours ago

            No. The question at hand is, of course, my comment to which you replied; to exemplify these, Communist states that so champions Democracy and Human Rights. And I’m just waiting…

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              If your definition of democracy is going out and vote every 4/5 yr (that fundamentally wont change anything) and then be suppressed by state, then sure you are enjoying democracy