Hey everyone! We’re moving to Piefed.social! You can find the comm at

!HistoryMemes@piefed.social

(this link might work if you’re on Fedia?) !historymemes@piefed.social

Hope to see everyone there!

Feed for all migrated comms here: https://piefed.social/f/pugmigration

Will I need to change my account to participate?

Nope! Piefed is compatible with Lemmy instances, so you can keep using your current account! All you have to do is hit ‘unsubscribe’ on HistoryMemes on Lemmy.world, and hit ‘subscribe’ on HistoryMemes on Piefed.social

After that, just participate as you normally would!

Why move the comm?

Nothing in particular against Lemmy.world - the admins here have made some amateurish mistakes, but I’m willing to accept that we’re all human and running a big instance is not easy, especially for a volunteer team. The issue is with the Lemmy devs.

There’s been long-standing tension with the Lemmy devs - namely, that they use their influence over their flagship instance - .ml - to enforce the removal of acknowledgements of incidents of genocide and imperialism that they like. If you’re morbidly curious, !MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works documents this, with things like acknowledgement of the Holodomor or refutation of the claim that Ukraine deserves to be genocided by modern Russia being removed by dev/admin fiat.

This places users who are not genocide deniers or supporters in an awkward position - namely, that either we refrain from contributing to the devs - damaging the longevity of the platform we’re using - or that we contribute to them despite their horrific views - enabling them to continue spreading and creating a space for genocide denial.

With that in mind (and I was a Kbin user initially precisely because of my discomfort with the Lemmy devs - I hope Ernest is okay, wherever he is), I’ve been keeping an eye out for a viable Lemmy Fediverse alternative for a while now. Piefed’s main dev has a good head on his shoulders, and it appears to be a robust platform. I think Piefed is ready, and I’m just medicated enough at the moment to make the effort of revving up the comms from scratch and writing up this screed.

Why Piefed.social specifically?

A good question. I considered Piefed.world, as the organization .world belongs to is larger than Lemmy/Piefed and robust. Anarchist.nexus was right out, on account of it being an offshoot of dbzer0, whose admins have chosen to indulge in very concerning Uyghur genocide denial and tolerating Holodomor denial on its instance. Ultimately I decided to give Piefed.social a chance on account of a coherent core mission statement in favor of democracy and rational discourse.

What will happen to this comm?

Well, I won’t be participating in it anymore except to remind people of the move, and hopefully most users will follow suit and join the Piefed.social community. I’ll stick around to remove spam, but that’s about it.

  • PugJesus@piefed.socialOPEnglish
    111·
    4 days ago

    I am confused, maybe you can help me out. As a layperson about the technical details behind the fediverse, how are piefed and lemmy different from one another (from a user perspective, or is it just admin and mod tools?)

    From a user perspective there are a few differences - Piefed supports flairs, for example. Mostly it’s the same concept, though, just a slightly different layout. I’m a layman and not code-oriented myself, so I couldn’t give you the details, but I’m given to understand that the basis of the code of the two systems are different, though I have to admit to being unable to follow the arguments or judge their relative merits. Some arguments about the coding language of Piefed being better suited to big projects, something like that?

    There are some differences with admin and mod tools as well, including managing bans without having to use third-party tools. As a mod, the mod tools for Lemmy are incredibly sparse.

    and how are the lemmy devs leveraging their position over independent instances (outside of maybe blocking users from .ml or defederating or using their general influence to pressure people, and can’t they do the same to piefed instances)?

    As outlined in the body text, the core of my issue is the position it puts users like me in. Either we’re effectively freeloading with regards to Lemmy’s sustainment and development, even if we have the resources to contribute, or else we’re donating money to literal genocide deniers who use that money to cultivate an instance that suppresses acknowledgement of genocide and imperialism.

    • Speiser0@feddit.orgEnglish
      7·
      4 days ago

      Some arguments about the coding language of Piefed being better suited to big projects, something like that?

      Looks to me like piefed uses mainly python, and lemmy rust. So it would rather be the other way around.

      Anyway, understandable decision. And thanks for your memes!

      • PugJesus@piefed.socialOPEnglish
        7·
        4 days ago

        Looks to me like piefed uses mainly python, and lemmy rust. So it would rather be the other way around.

        It’s all Greek to me! I am but a lowly humanities major 😭

        Anyway, understandable decision. And thanks for your memes!

        Of course! I hope you continue to enjoy them! 😊

        • irelephant [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          5·
          4 days ago

          Rust is harder to write, but is more performant.

          Python is easy to write but runs slower.

          In the end, it doesn’t really matter what language it’s written in, since the main performance bottleneck is I/O.

    • Korne127@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      4 days ago

      Either we’re effectively freeloading with regards to Lemmy’s sustainment and development, even if we have the resources to contribute, or else we’re donating money to literal genocide deniers who use that money to cultivate an instance that suppresses acknowledgement of genocide and imperialism.

      No, you can also donate money to independent servers like Lemmy.world and support them and the ecosystem without the awful devs.
      Independently to that, why do you use Piefed and not Kbin?

      • PugJesus@piefed.socialOPEnglish
        14·
        4 days ago

        No, you can also donate money to independent servers like Lemmy.world and support them and the ecosystem without the awful devs.

        Supporting the Lemmy.world server doesn’t address the issue of the sustainment and development of the Lemmy codebase, though. Sustaining an individual server and Lemmy development are two different concepts - Lemmy.world is not, to my knowledge, working on an independent fork of Lemmy.

        Independently to that, why do you use Piefed and not Kbin?

        Kbin went down. It was my initial platform of choice.

        I considered Mbin, but I found Piefed to be more intuitive and responsive - at least to my perception as a user after a year of operating on Lemmy.