A court in Rabat convicted Ibtissame Lachgar, one of the leading figures of Moroccan feminism, for posting a photo of herself wearing a T-shirt that read 'Allah is lesbian.'
I don’t think putting her in jail is right in any way, but I don’t think it’s okay to just disrespect someone’s religion. Sure, to you it might be funny to belive in God or whatever, but to someone else it could be really important therefore I don’t think provocative slogans like this really do any good. if anything, they make things worse
I detest how one-way these things are. I am morally outraged any time I see a street preacher, or cultists giving out copies of their literature to children, or cultists coming to my door to question my beliefs. It’s morally abhorrent, as far as I’m concerned.
I’m supposed to tolerate their batshit nonsense but they’re allowed to do what they like? What makes their strongly held beliefs more important than mine?
Yes, because if we don’t let them do whatever they want in the name of their religion, it’s oppression. Literally the same as throwing them to the lions.
The shirt was a pro-feminism message that’s reportedly been used by groups in the past.
If you’re religion is, unfortunately, tied to oppression of rights, then I give 0 fucks if someone makes a statement or shirt or whatever about those messages.
Don’t shit on religious people for their nice beliefs, like don’t play thrash metal on blast in the parking lot of a bakesale for the church. But anythjng about it’s messaging or reach or the negative aspects and I’m all game.
Interesting you say that. So explain to me why the women must wear hijabs/burkhas/coverings over their hair and not the men. Why don’t the men wear head-coverings? Oh and what is oft the punishment for Muslim women found without their head-covers in public to be seen by men?
Beyond that, shall we discuss the Islamic States and their implementation of Sharia Law? How is punishment of death for apostates not depriving someone of their rights? Specifically the right to life?
I think you underestimate the stupidity of common people. I think you’d be surprised by the widespread conservative thinking in any population, really. “It was alway done like this, so it’s the right way and everyone else is wrong.” I like your optimism, though. I hope I’m wrong and at least in some countries a reasonable and tolerant majority does exist.
All religions I’ve read about so far, that I can recall, are. Islam is, christianity is. If Abraham was a cornerstone to your stories, there’s a good chance there’s some oppression there.
Oppressing your slaves by allowing them to exist at all and the determinations of who CAN be kept. Oppressing your daughters with religious traditions about marriage and subservience to your parents/husband. I can go on, not that this is strictly about Islam, this applies just about everywhere when applied from a fundamentalist viewpoint, and even those that don’t still harken to societal norms built on those fundamentalist values (tons of my Muslim friends in college had big fights about the white women they were bringing home…from the rural US where white women are the most common women for them to meet). Crazy business to not see that
Do you understand that the ones who are following a book from over a thousand years ago literally, are a tiny tiny percentage of the total number of people who identify as that religion…
Maybe, it’s not what I see every day. I meet fundamentalists all the time, even if they don’t consider themselves one. Do US Christians practice fundamentalist christianity to the tee? No, they wear polyester and don’t properly take the sabbath and go off the rails about the 10 commandments all the time. But they THINK they adhere to the faith they were raised in. Even my progressive Muslim friends in college still held some ass-backwards beliefs they didn’t shed because, to them, that’s still modern interpretation or socially acceptable interpretation of their religious text.
You write like I’m painting all Muslims as regressive. Please, consider instead that I’m saying all religions, at their root, are regressive and it is the shedding of those beliefs that lead to a more modern form of that religion, but it does not entirely root out the thoughts/beliefs that founded the faith.
Ask a progressive Muslim what they think about child marriage as it relates to the prophet, or a Baptist Christian what they think about homosexuality, or a hassidic Jew what they think about the modesty of today’s clothing. You’ll get regressive answers from just about every single one, or, that’s been my experience.
I didn’t say they were extremists, I said they held some fundamental beliefs. The ones I see that are modern american Muslims, maybe once a week, it’s gone down since college for sure.
Bonus answer: no way, people don’t all wear religious clothing? Where did you get the impression I said I knew someone was Muslim by eyesight? I see a few Sikhs, sure, but most Muslim men, where I am, don’t where traditional clothing, maybe some handmade shirts from their trips back home but they’re still collared shirts and buttons ups in a western style. I have met maybe two women who are Muslim that don’t wear some kind of religious attire, be that a headwrap or a niqab. They also drank beer and were fond of the occasional midnight bacon burger, so they were far from being very devout.
If you can’t even prove that a concept has the slightest bit of truth to it, you have no right to command others not to say things about it that you don’t like.
I don’t think putting her in jail is right in any way, but I don’t think it’s okay to just disrespect someone’s religion. Sure, to you it might be funny to belive in God or whatever, but to someone else it could be really important therefore I don’t think provocative slogans like this really do any good. if anything, they make things worse
What is wrong about being a lesbian? How is that disrespectful in any way?
I detest how one-way these things are. I am morally outraged any time I see a street preacher, or cultists giving out copies of their literature to children, or cultists coming to my door to question my beliefs. It’s morally abhorrent, as far as I’m concerned.
I’m supposed to tolerate their batshit nonsense but they’re allowed to do what they like? What makes their strongly held beliefs more important than mine?
Yes, because if we don’t let them do whatever they want in the name of their religion, it’s oppression. Literally the same as throwing them to the lions.
/s
It’s wild to me that people can’t accept different sexuality, but demand tolerance for their religious beliefs.
I will stop criticizing them when they stop controlling and/or influencing the laws and politics in my country.
Until then, their irrational beliefs are fair game.
The shirt was a pro-feminism message that’s reportedly been used by groups in the past.
If you’re religion is, unfortunately, tied to oppression of rights, then I give 0 fucks if someone makes a statement or shirt or whatever about those messages.
Don’t shit on religious people for their nice beliefs, like don’t play thrash metal on blast in the parking lot of a bakesale for the church. But anythjng about it’s messaging or reach or the negative aspects and I’m all game.
Islam isn’t…
You’re confusing the most extreme 1% with the billions who make up the other 99%.
Interesting you say that. So explain to me why the women must wear hijabs/burkhas/coverings over their hair and not the men. Why don’t the men wear head-coverings? Oh and what is oft the punishment for Muslim women found without their head-covers in public to be seen by men?
Beyond that, shall we discuss the Islamic States and their implementation of Sharia Law? How is punishment of death for apostates not depriving someone of their rights? Specifically the right to life?
Shhhhhhut the hell up dude.
The ones who force it, are extremists…
And in the minority.
For example, this article is about Morroco, where head coverings are not legally mandated one way or the other.
It’s a protected choice either way.
What could the possible point of replying be to just throw that at the end?
I think you underestimate the stupidity of common people. I think you’d be surprised by the widespread conservative thinking in any population, really. “It was alway done like this, so it’s the right way and everyone else is wrong.” I like your optimism, though. I hope I’m wrong and at least in some countries a reasonable and tolerant majority does exist.
All religions I’ve read about so far, that I can recall, are. Islam is, christianity is. If Abraham was a cornerstone to your stories, there’s a good chance there’s some oppression there.
Oppressing your slaves by allowing them to exist at all and the determinations of who CAN be kept. Oppressing your daughters with religious traditions about marriage and subservience to your parents/husband. I can go on, not that this is strictly about Islam, this applies just about everywhere when applied from a fundamentalist viewpoint, and even those that don’t still harken to societal norms built on those fundamentalist values (tons of my Muslim friends in college had big fights about the white women they were bringing home…from the rural US where white women are the most common women for them to meet). Crazy business to not see that
But…
Do you understand that the ones who are following a book from over a thousand years ago literally, are a tiny tiny percentage of the total number of people who identify as that religion…
Right?
Maybe, it’s not what I see every day. I meet fundamentalists all the time, even if they don’t consider themselves one. Do US Christians practice fundamentalist christianity to the tee? No, they wear polyester and don’t properly take the sabbath and go off the rails about the 10 commandments all the time. But they THINK they adhere to the faith they were raised in. Even my progressive Muslim friends in college still held some ass-backwards beliefs they didn’t shed because, to them, that’s still modern interpretation or socially acceptable interpretation of their religious text.
You write like I’m painting all Muslims as regressive. Please, consider instead that I’m saying all religions, at their root, are regressive and it is the shedding of those beliefs that lead to a more modern form of that religion, but it does not entirely root out the thoughts/beliefs that founded the faith.
Ask a progressive Muslim what they think about child marriage as it relates to the prophet, or a Baptist Christian what they think about homosexuality, or a hassidic Jew what they think about the modesty of today’s clothing. You’ll get regressive answers from just about every single one, or, that’s been my experience.
How many Muslim extremists do you “see everyday”?
Bonus question:
Do you realize you likely see way more Muslims, they just aren’t wearing religious clothing?
Oh that’s fun, you ignored all the rest.
I didn’t say they were extremists, I said they held some fundamental beliefs. The ones I see that are modern american Muslims, maybe once a week, it’s gone down since college for sure.
Bonus answer: no way, people don’t all wear religious clothing? Where did you get the impression I said I knew someone was Muslim by eyesight? I see a few Sikhs, sure, but most Muslim men, where I am, don’t where traditional clothing, maybe some handmade shirts from their trips back home but they’re still collared shirts and buttons ups in a western style. I have met maybe two women who are Muslim that don’t wear some kind of religious attire, be that a headwrap or a niqab. They also drank beer and were fond of the occasional midnight bacon burger, so they were far from being very devout.
Got more?
And the most polite way to describe that would be you’re making assumptions…
Considering the context though, most would describe it as religious bigotry
If you can’t even prove that a concept has the slightest bit of truth to it, you have no right to command others not to say things about it that you don’t like.