The Czech government has approved a plan to acquire 44 Leopard 2A8 battle tanks from Germany. This move is part of a major military modernization amid Russia's war against Ukraine.
Assuming one has plenty of drones and anti tank weapons, what good for are tanks? Also taking their price into the account. That video is dated pre-special operation.
After few months of invasion, there were only few Bayraktars around. Drone warfare happened later. Also Ukraine got decent anti-tank weapons later and those were really effective in blowing turrets off for cheap. As drones are. And mines which are now deployed remotely.
Yeah I’m not buying this. There’s a reason you rarely hear about the Ukrainians using tanks, and almost never for the Russians (because they’re all been blown up). When you have people making “turtle” and “porcupine” tanks I think it’s fair to say they’ve lost almost all utility.
His argument is essentially “you cannot take and hold ground like a tank can”. Which frankly is nonsense to anyone paying attention to the Ukrainian war. No one is using tanks to hold ground. They’re only being used for very quick hit and run operations because it only takes $3000 in drones to take them out. Fiber optic drones are simply too cheap and effective.
Ukraine and Russia wouldn’t both still be using every tank they can get their hands on if they weren’t useful. There’s also the very real possibility that someone figures out a reliable countermeasure to drones in the near future. Several countries have already deployed truck-mounted lasers that just need a decent power source to torch incoming drones for basically free, for example
Russia is using motorcycles and donkeys. As someone who’s been watching this war far too closely, it’s very rare to hear about Russians using tanks. Because they all got blown up with drones.
According to Oryx, we’ve got visual confirmation of 25 tanks and 59 more armoured vehicles lost by Russia in July alone. The tanks are getting pretty shitty and old, yes, but they’re definitely still out there because they are still getting blown up
it’s 5 unknowns, 6 T-62’s, 4 T-72’s, 2 T-80’s, 2 T-90’s. Russia conveniently numbers it’s tanks for the year it was introduced. So, being generous, 4 new tanks, and 10 museumpieces.
Oryx technically does, but I don’t know a way to sort the entries by date. I based that part of the comment on this Perun video, which has a comparison of Russian tank losses by groups of model (Russian, late Soviet, and early Soviet) across 2022, 2023, and 2024 at 7:28
That link you found looks significantly more in-depth though
Seems odd that anyone is investing much in tanks these days. Ukraine has shown tanks to be of very little utility on the modern battlefield.
The obsolescence of tanks has been called for in every conflict since WW1 and yet has never been true
Kinda like Bluetooth
Tanks are still useful for direct fire to assist the infantry take entrenched fortifications and defenses.
No, the tank is not obsolete.
Assuming one has plenty of drones and anti tank weapons, what good for are tanks? Also taking their price into the account. That video is dated pre-special operation.
It isn’t. It’s a direct response to two months of people screaming “Tanks are dead” after the invasion started in Feb. 2022.
Watch the video.
Watch this video.
Edit: Forgot to add two more recent videos that deal with tanks and drone warfare:
After few months of invasion, there were only few Bayraktars around. Drone warfare happened later. Also Ukraine got decent anti-tank weapons later and those were really effective in blowing turrets off for cheap. As drones are. And mines which are now deployed remotely.
Yeah I’m not buying this. There’s a reason you rarely hear about the Ukrainians using tanks, and almost never for the Russians (because they’re all been blown up). When you have people making “turtle” and “porcupine” tanks I think it’s fair to say they’ve lost almost all utility.
His argument is essentially “you cannot take and hold ground like a tank can”. Which frankly is nonsense to anyone paying attention to the Ukrainian war. No one is using tanks to hold ground. They’re only being used for very quick hit and run operations because it only takes $3000 in drones to take them out. Fiber optic drones are simply too cheap and effective.
Ukraine and Russia wouldn’t both still be using every tank they can get their hands on if they weren’t useful. There’s also the very real possibility that someone figures out a reliable countermeasure to drones in the near future. Several countries have already deployed truck-mounted lasers that just need a decent power source to torch incoming drones for basically free, for example
Russia is using motorcycles and donkeys. As someone who’s been watching this war far too closely, it’s very rare to hear about Russians using tanks. Because they all got blown up with drones.
According to Oryx, we’ve got visual confirmation of 25 tanks and 59 more armoured vehicles lost by Russia in July alone. The tanks are getting pretty shitty and old, yes, but they’re definitely still out there because they are still getting blown up
Do you have a source that lists losses by model? I can only find “25 tanks” but not if they’re from the 50’s or new built.
EDIT: Found one myself: https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russian-army-started-losing-t-62-tanks-at-rising-rate-amid-general-loss-decline/
it’s 5 unknowns, 6 T-62’s, 4 T-72’s, 2 T-80’s, 2 T-90’s. Russia conveniently numbers it’s tanks for the year it was introduced. So, being generous, 4 new tanks, and 10 museumpieces.
Oryx technically does, but I don’t know a way to sort the entries by date. I based that part of the comment on this Perun video, which has a comparison of Russian tank losses by groups of model (Russian, late Soviet, and early Soviet) across 2022, 2023, and 2024 at 7:28
That link you found looks significantly more in-depth though
I noticed the same, and they’re also not really sequential (only per sub-model, and that’s just way too much work for some curiosity).
https://ukr.warspotting.net/ does something similar to Oryx, but allows dates and models in a nice sortable database.
IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM! right next to trump, putin and xi’s ego