• TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comOP
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    6 days ago

    And the combination of events that one human being suffered repeatedly has to speak at some point what did this man do to deserve all that danger and torment ?

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      6 days ago

      Everything you said is a common storytelling trope you can find in other stories too.

      Take the hero’s family being endangered - the difference is that Die Hard dude then jumps into action and does shit, like what you’d expect from an actual hero. Job does fuck all, doesn’t seem to mind too much (at best he’s like “oh bother”) and, worst of all, does NOT get his family back, it’s a new wife and kids and that’s perfectly fine by him.

      The villains corresponding to the neighbours is far-fetched in my opinion but even then, common trope to have story elements trying to discourage the hero. You can find that “parallel” anywhere. They also have vastly different motivations: in Job, his neighbours are presumably worried for him, Die Hard dude’s villains are trying to save their own skin.

      What did this man do to suffer? Die Hard dude is devoted to his job, his family doesn’t leave for no reason and isn’t endangered for no reason. It’s a moral dilemma that he struggles with, rooted in the hero’s personality and informing his character arc. Job is just there, changes nothing and learns nothing.

      In general, there has to be some motivation for the hero to start his (we’re talking about classic tropes here) journey and people around him and his property (sometimes seen as the same thing…) being endangered is the most convenient one. The interesting part is how he reacts to this situation - which couldn’t be more different between Die Hard dude and Job, as I said above.

      Person suffers, then gets happy end - that’s every classic story ever told by anyone (bad endings are a new-fangled modern thing).

      Edit: it is 4am i cannot fucking believe i wrote a wall of text about this. i havent even watched any Die Hard in years and years, never mind read the fucking Bible. fuck.

      Edit2: McClane. I knew the name was somewhere in my brain. Yes I have the world’s knowledge at my fingertips shut up I also have perfectionism and I only took 3 hours to remember so there.