I find it interesting how every post I see on Lemmy about Fairphone always has half of the comments complaining about the lack of a head home jack, but in real life I don’t know a single person that really laments it’s removal. All the people I personally know are fine with Bluetooth headphones. This is just such a loud minority, it’s impressive. I know that there is overlap between people that want a headphone jack and people that want a repairable phone, but still, I feel it’s way over-represented in the comments.
I absolutely hate wired headphones. It always get tangled, breaks or otherwise gets fucked up.
I now have an Audeze Maxwell headphone and as a backup to their dongle, The LDAC bluetoooth codec combined with Qobuz Hifi sound is perfect for me.
Never missed the 3,5mm port.
The only thing in not loving is the planned obsolecense of most battery Bluetooth headsets.
(I do recognise and respect others for wanting the 3,5mm port, of course. To each their own preferred way of strangling themselves when listening to audio I guess)
Not sure why, but BT experiences interference when in my pocket. The signal gets choppy when sections of my torso get in the way. Which is always when my phone is in my pocket. So I got USBC headphones/dongle.
On a bike ride, I noticed the audio was starting to disconnect. This happens often on rides and runs since the USBC plug sticks out a lot from the port and slowly wiggles loose. Except this time it wasn’t loose. The leverage of the long plug on the short connector damaged the port. This never would have happened with a headphone jack. It has a strong connection that can rotate freely. Now I have a phone that can’t charge or play music.
My next phone will be a sony xperia some they still have the jack and still allow the bootloader to be unlocked.
This never would have happened with a headphone jack.
I call shenanigans on this statement. This exact scenario with a 3.5 mm would have seen the copper inside the connector break from stress. As someone who went through the evolution of Walkman, discman and mp5 players, I can’t count the amount of wires I destroyed just having them in my pocket when walking or riding. Even high end woven wires and shit, end up failing due to mechanical stress. It is just entropy. I’ve had more headphones in my life than I can recall, but somehow BT headphones have lasted me 3 years, more than any of the cheap wired headphones of the past. Only my expensive sannheisers have lived longer and that’s partially due to the fact they have detachable wires. So I can change them when they start to wear.
Okay, “never would have happened” is an exaggerated statement. But you’re talking about the headphone wires breaking. I’m talking about the USBC port on the phone itself breaking. I’ve never had a headphone jack PORT break. But Ive had 2 phones USBC ports fail from pressure on the plug.
I would much rather have the wire on headphones fail instead of the port on the device itself.
If only there was some sort of technology we could use to completely avoid any risk of mechanical wear and tear from either the port or the wires! Alas, we are doomed as there no such wire absent tech! Doomed we are I say, for black magic it would be to go in life without copper, and a curse upon us from the wretched absent jack port!
Are you sure it’s not a problem specific to your headphones or your phone? Unless you’ve got some sort of prosthetics/pacemaker or something like that your torso should definitely not be causing interferences.
I’ve had this issue for years across at least 3 different phones, and probably 4 different sets of headphones. Mix of buds and over ears. Different brands.
I don’t experience it much anymore, so I suspect its been fixed in more recent versions of Bluetooth.
No pace maker, no prosthetics, and I’m average weight. The Bluetooth tech was just half baked when it came out. Better now but I can still replicate the issue with older headphones.
I also experienced it a lot when walking around busy areas. Might be exacerbated by other nearby devices. No idea, but the point I’m trying to make is that removing the headphone jack from devices meant many people had to deal with this shit with no good alternative for years while the tech caught up
You can’t beat the battery life of Infinity. Go non stop for a complete day and even or you forgot to charge, keep using the next day without any downtime.
For me, this is just one less thing to worry about.
Plus, I can use mine on flights instead of their sorry excuse of electronic waste.
I don’t know any who offer weeks or continuous usage. I do know there’s a few with battery life of 30-100 hours (that’s a wide range yes) but that’s just a few days to a week and half in terms of endurance.
If you aren’t a heavy user, 3-4 hours a day, it can definitely last you for more than a couple of weeks
On god if you wear large beats over your head in any capital city you’ll get ur head kicked in for them, but nobody will mug you for for ten dollar buds
I just want the option. Sure I use bluetooth 98% of the time, but when I’m in a car I’d rather hook in through the jack than the tooth. And when I’m out hiking I also like the jack option so I don’t have to worry about my blutooth battery dying, bluetooth draining my phone faster, loosing an earbud in the leaves and so on.
Bluetooth was specifically designed to be very low power. With a bluetooth headphone there is a battery in the headphone to power the amplifier and provide the energy to move the speaker diaphragm. With passive (wired) headphones, this has to be powered by your phone.
Do you really think that a phone that has to directly drive the speakers in a headphone uses less power than a phone that only has to power the bluetooth transmitter?
I love wired headphones, but I wouldn’t ever drive them directly from my phone. Especially higher end headphones are more difficult to drive anyway, so I use a (wired) external DAC/amp with it’s own internal battery for using my wired headphones.
I mean, I get that. It’s just that I’m triggered by the amount of people that constantly comment on every thread raging about how dare they not include a headphone jack. It’s insane how loud this minority is when in real life very few people actually care about it.
I hated the loss of the jack until I got lightning/usbc headphones. The microphone and sound controls are so good I honestly widh my steam deck had a second USB c slot rather than a headphone jack
Since you asked, the lack of the headphone jack is the exact reason I have not upgraded my phone. I use my phone for music in my two cars and my home gym. None of those currently have Bluetooth.
Upgrading all 3 is just a matter of money of course - throw everything I have away & buy new. I see no reason to do that.
For the car, I use a tunai firefly ldac, it’s an incredibly simple and reliable device.
They’re fairly cheap at ~35$, and can be reused if you change cars.
I ended up using mine to make my home stereo system wireless after my last car was replaced.
Up until I got an amazing pair of bluetooth headphones I would also fall under the loud minority. I still want the option on any device I own, but I haven’t been using wired ones much outside of things like my Sega Genesis.
Definitely agree the loud minority feels overrepresented, but I’m personally siding with them.
They largely brought that on themselves. I mean obviously they did by removing the jack, but I think moreso by claiming to be better than the rest of the industry - and charging a premium for that difference.
When Samsung removed the jack it was annoying, and also very hypocritical as they had made fun of Apple for that just a year before, but it was to be expected from a corporation like that. These guys promised they weren’t like that, and then did the same thing.
You can imagine it like this: if you see an ad by a pop star trying to sell you some bullshit product that doesn’t work you’d think “that’s shitty” and move on. But if you saw the same ad, but instead of the plain old pop star it was the members of Rage Against the Machine, you’d notice that a lot more. Everything they had done before would ring hollow, and every time someone would bring them up you’d remember that they’re just posers looking to make a buck off of a demographic.
And that’s how I feel about this phone. Just posing as something better.
I can see that, that’s a fair point, but I don’t think it’s malicious from their standpoint. I just think that when you look at their sales, they really are trying to cut down costs as much as possible while retaining their main goals of being a repairable phone with ethical materials, because in the end, if they’re not profitable, they won’t be making phones anymore, and then you won’t have a company making repairable or ethical phones at all. Headphone jacks are a relatively easy thing to remove because realistically, very few people use them nowadays. There is a vocal minority that wants them but they really are just a minority, and catering to every single niche for a company as small as them isn’t realistic.
I was skeptical about this splitter but it bought and tried it and it actually works. Tried on Sony Xperia (which doesn’t need one 😅) and Galaxy Tab.
Maybe not as comfortable as having two dedicated built-in ports but still.
How about a bigger battery, so you just don’t need the battery bank, and the form factor is sufficiently large enough to handle without needing a large case?
The last several phones I’ve purchased have been so thin they were unusable without a case, and battery life about a day. They could double the thickness, still be less than a half inch thick, and add a battery 3 times the size of the internal one. That would get 2+ days of charge. With half the number of charge cycles, the battery lifetime would probably double.
So twice as long between new phones, what sort of monster are you! Expecting the poor multinationals to build a phone for you and not have its effective lifespan artificially limited by the compromised battery solutions is basically communism, or socialism or woke.
{Insert phone company} loves you and only wants what’s best for you, it’s super distressing to {insert phone company} that they put so much into the relationship and you are so cold and dismissive of them. You should go and buy a {insert new full retail price product} to make it up to them.
Wonder if this problem will be “solved” with Qi2 (magnetic charging) in the future. Pixel 10 is supposed to have it if we’re talking Android. Otherwise with 2 USB-C ports you have Lenovo Legion 2 Pro and Lenovo Legion Y90 but that’s not mainstream
I had high hopes for wireless charging. But in the end it’s just heat and battery stress for no good reason. Just bring back some Pogo pens or maybe a couple of pads on the back of the phone or something.
I mean, I didn’t give up anything? What do I have to give up? The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds. You don’t have to care about a cable being tugged around, battery life is a non-issue for me. I’ve never ran out of battery on my headphones and modern connectivity is pretty good, I’ve never had them fail to connect or anything like that. The only people that have any sort of benefit from wired headphones are audiophiles, that I can assure you 95% of people are not. They will not notice a difference between the headphone jack and wireless earbuds. Even if you gave me a headphone jack, I wouldn’t use it. I just do not have a reason to use one. I’ve been using wireless Wi-Fi headsets for my PC for a long while now, I don’t even use a headphone jack on my PC. It’s just way more convenient having wireless headsets.
I was more so focusing on the overall user experience, so including the ease of use and the convenience of not having to fight with a cable. I definitely agree that Bluetooth earbuds aren’t perfect. They have their issues. But I feel like for the general user, they objectively offer an improved experience. 90 or 95% of people can’t hear the difference between wired and wireless earbuds. If you don’t care about audio quality then I feel like it has objectively more upsides than it has downsides. As people mentioned about cars and the like, there are instances where having a headphone jack is necessary, but I feel like the number of cases where this issue is unavoidable and is a real problem for people is so minuscule that it’s not worth it for the companies to bother.
I mean, in the end, I personally don’t care if a phone has a headphone jack. It’s not like I wouldn’t buy it because it has one. I was more so triggered by the people constantly screaming at every phone for not having a headphone jack, when in reality it’s not important for most people.
Only had an issue once in a busy airport, otherwise not an issue for me.
I’m not saying my case is universal and there’s no reason anyone would ever want a 3.5mm jack, but there’s plenty of people like me who would really never use it.
Yeah like I said in my original comment, if you don’t do anything serious with audio then it doesn’t matter. However if you do, then it matters and BT just simply isn’t good enough.
Apple themselves even admit this. If you open up Logic on iPad (a digital audio workstation made by apple) it warns you that using Bluetooth is going to suck.
Edit: Also worth pointing out my original comment isn’t about analog headphones jacks Vs Bluetooth it’s about wired vs Bluetooth. USB C is fine in terms of the complaints I’m making about BT.
I find it interesting how every post I see on Lemmy about Fairphone always has half of the comments complaining about the lack of a head home jack, but in real life I don’t know a single person that really laments it’s removal. All the people I personally know are fine with Bluetooth headphones. This is just such a loud minority, it’s impressive. I know that there is overlap between people that want a headphone jack and people that want a repairable phone, but still, I feel it’s way over-represented in the comments.
I absolutely hate wired headphones. It always get tangled, breaks or otherwise gets fucked up. I now have an Audeze Maxwell headphone and as a backup to their dongle, The LDAC bluetoooth codec combined with Qobuz Hifi sound is perfect for me.
Never missed the 3,5mm port.
The only thing in not loving is the planned obsolecense of most battery Bluetooth headsets.
(I do recognise and respect others for wanting the 3,5mm port, of course. To each their own preferred way of strangling themselves when listening to audio I guess)
Not sure why, but BT experiences interference when in my pocket. The signal gets choppy when sections of my torso get in the way. Which is always when my phone is in my pocket. So I got USBC headphones/dongle.
On a bike ride, I noticed the audio was starting to disconnect. This happens often on rides and runs since the USBC plug sticks out a lot from the port and slowly wiggles loose. Except this time it wasn’t loose. The leverage of the long plug on the short connector damaged the port. This never would have happened with a headphone jack. It has a strong connection that can rotate freely. Now I have a phone that can’t charge or play music.
My next phone will be a sony xperia some they still have the jack and still allow the bootloader to be unlocked.
I call shenanigans on this statement. This exact scenario with a 3.5 mm would have seen the copper inside the connector break from stress. As someone who went through the evolution of Walkman, discman and mp5 players, I can’t count the amount of wires I destroyed just having them in my pocket when walking or riding. Even high end woven wires and shit, end up failing due to mechanical stress. It is just entropy. I’ve had more headphones in my life than I can recall, but somehow BT headphones have lasted me 3 years, more than any of the cheap wired headphones of the past. Only my expensive sannheisers have lived longer and that’s partially due to the fact they have detachable wires. So I can change them when they start to wear.
Okay, “never would have happened” is an exaggerated statement. But you’re talking about the headphone wires breaking. I’m talking about the USBC port on the phone itself breaking. I’ve never had a headphone jack PORT break. But Ive had 2 phones USBC ports fail from pressure on the plug.
I would much rather have the wire on headphones fail instead of the port on the device itself.
If only there was some sort of technology we could use to completely avoid any risk of mechanical wear and tear from either the port or the wires! Alas, we are doomed as there no such wire absent tech! Doomed we are I say, for black magic it would be to go in life without copper, and a curse upon us from the wretched absent jack port!
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Are you sure it’s not a problem specific to your headphones or your phone? Unless you’ve got some sort of prosthetics/pacemaker or something like that your torso should definitely not be causing interferences.
I’ve had this issue for years across at least 3 different phones, and probably 4 different sets of headphones. Mix of buds and over ears. Different brands.
I don’t experience it much anymore, so I suspect its been fixed in more recent versions of Bluetooth.
No pace maker, no prosthetics, and I’m average weight. The Bluetooth tech was just half baked when it came out. Better now but I can still replicate the issue with older headphones.
I also experienced it a lot when walking around busy areas. Might be exacerbated by other nearby devices. No idea, but the point I’m trying to make is that removing the headphone jack from devices meant many people had to deal with this shit with no good alternative for years while the tech caught up
I still use a wired headphone.
You can’t beat the battery life of Infinity. Go non stop for a complete day and even or you forgot to charge, keep using the next day without any downtime.
For me, this is just one less thing to worry about.
Plus, I can use mine on flights instead of their sorry excuse of electronic waste.
My wireless headphone batteries last weeks and I can use them on planes?.. Unless I’m misunderstanding what you mean.
I don’t know any who offer weeks or continuous usage. I do know there’s a few with battery life of 30-100 hours (that’s a wide range yes) but that’s just a few days to a week and half in terms of endurance.
If you aren’t a heavy user, 3-4 hours a day, it can definitely last you for more than a couple of weeks
On god if you wear large beats over your head in any capital city you’ll get ur head kicked in for them, but nobody will mug you for for ten dollar buds
Eeh I don’t know where you live, but that doesnt happen for headphones anywhere I know, unless they’re made of gold and incrusted with diamonds
That absolutely doesn’t happen in my city, maybe you should move 😬
Do you wish people would stop requesting the headphone jack? Why?
The comment doesn’t wish for anything, it simply makes an observation
I just want the option. Sure I use bluetooth 98% of the time, but when I’m in a car I’d rather hook in through the jack than the tooth. And when I’m out hiking I also like the jack option so I don’t have to worry about my blutooth battery dying, bluetooth draining my phone faster, loosing an earbud in the leaves and so on.
Bluetooth was specifically designed to be very low power. With a bluetooth headphone there is a battery in the headphone to power the amplifier and provide the energy to move the speaker diaphragm. With passive (wired) headphones, this has to be powered by your phone.
Do you really think that a phone that has to directly drive the speakers in a headphone uses less power than a phone that only has to power the bluetooth transmitter?
I love wired headphones, but I wouldn’t ever drive them directly from my phone. Especially higher end headphones are more difficult to drive anyway, so I use a (wired) external DAC/amp with it’s own internal battery for using my wired headphones.
When your phone is old yes blutooth can drain the battey faster then headphones.
I mean, I get that. It’s just that I’m triggered by the amount of people that constantly comment on every thread raging about how dare they not include a headphone jack. It’s insane how loud this minority is when in real life very few people actually care about it.
I hated the loss of the jack until I got lightning/usbc headphones. The microphone and sound controls are so good I honestly widh my steam deck had a second USB c slot rather than a headphone jack
You can get a splitter and/or dock to get there, but obviously it’s not as nice as built in
https://youtu.be/BqxHwgfu6Sg
Since you asked, the lack of the headphone jack is the exact reason I have not upgraded my phone. I use my phone for music in my two cars and my home gym. None of those currently have Bluetooth.
Upgrading all 3 is just a matter of money of course - throw everything I have away & buy new. I see no reason to do that.
For the car, I use a tunai firefly ldac, it’s an incredibly simple and reliable device.
They’re fairly cheap at ~35$, and can be reused if you change cars. I ended up using mine to make my home stereo system wireless after my last car was replaced.
Up until I got an amazing pair of bluetooth headphones I would also fall under the loud minority. I still want the option on any device I own, but I haven’t been using wired ones much outside of things like my Sega Genesis.
Definitely agree the loud minority feels overrepresented, but I’m personally siding with them.
At first, I was like, “…How did I never know it has one of those?” until I realized I have a model 2.
They largely brought that on themselves. I mean obviously they did by removing the jack, but I think moreso by claiming to be better than the rest of the industry - and charging a premium for that difference.
When Samsung removed the jack it was annoying, and also very hypocritical as they had made fun of Apple for that just a year before, but it was to be expected from a corporation like that. These guys promised they weren’t like that, and then did the same thing.
You can imagine it like this: if you see an ad by a pop star trying to sell you some bullshit product that doesn’t work you’d think “that’s shitty” and move on. But if you saw the same ad, but instead of the plain old pop star it was the members of Rage Against the Machine, you’d notice that a lot more. Everything they had done before would ring hollow, and every time someone would bring them up you’d remember that they’re just posers looking to make a buck off of a demographic.
And that’s how I feel about this phone. Just posing as something better.
I can see that, that’s a fair point, but I don’t think it’s malicious from their standpoint. I just think that when you look at their sales, they really are trying to cut down costs as much as possible while retaining their main goals of being a repairable phone with ethical materials, because in the end, if they’re not profitable, they won’t be making phones anymore, and then you won’t have a company making repairable or ethical phones at all. Headphone jacks are a relatively easy thing to remove because realistically, very few people use them nowadays. There is a vocal minority that wants them but they really are just a minority, and catering to every single niche for a company as small as them isn’t realistic.
You have been visited by the USB-C port. This post is now protected against headphone jack jihadists
Give me a phone with two USB-C ports so I don’t need a dongle when I wire up to my USB-C headphones and battery bank
I was skeptical about this splitter but it bought and tried it and it actually works. Tried on Sony Xperia (which doesn’t need one 😅) and Galaxy Tab. Maybe not as comfortable as having two dedicated built-in ports but still.
USB-C splitter (60W charging, 32bit DAC)
I would actually spend money in this. :)
That wouldn’t be bad, for extra couple of bucks headphone manufacturers could give us C jacks and a pass-through as well.
How about a bigger battery, so you just don’t need the battery bank, and the form factor is sufficiently large enough to handle without needing a large case?
I’m all for making a phone thicker if I can still use it with one hand. Just not wider or taller.
The last several phones I’ve purchased have been so thin they were unusable without a case, and battery life about a day. They could double the thickness, still be less than a half inch thick, and add a battery 3 times the size of the internal one. That would get 2+ days of charge. With half the number of charge cycles, the battery lifetime would probably double.
So twice as long between new phones, what sort of monster are you! Expecting the poor multinationals to build a phone for you and not have its effective lifespan artificially limited by the compromised battery solutions is basically communism, or socialism or woke.
{Insert phone company} loves you and only wants what’s best for you, it’s super distressing to {insert phone company} that they put so much into the relationship and you are so cold and dismissive of them. You should go and buy a {insert new full retail price product} to make it up to them.
Wonder if this problem will be “solved” with Qi2 (magnetic charging) in the future. Pixel 10 is supposed to have it if we’re talking Android. Otherwise with 2 USB-C ports you have Lenovo Legion 2 Pro and Lenovo Legion Y90 but that’s not mainstream
I had high hopes for wireless charging. But in the end it’s just heat and battery stress for no good reason. Just bring back some Pogo pens or maybe a couple of pads on the back of the phone or something.
USB-C FTW!
cause you live in a part of the world, that has already gave up. including yourself.
I mean, I didn’t give up anything? What do I have to give up? The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds. You don’t have to care about a cable being tugged around, battery life is a non-issue for me. I’ve never ran out of battery on my headphones and modern connectivity is pretty good, I’ve never had them fail to connect or anything like that. The only people that have any sort of benefit from wired headphones are audiophiles, that I can assure you 95% of people are not. They will not notice a difference between the headphone jack and wireless earbuds. Even if you gave me a headphone jack, I wouldn’t use it. I just do not have a reason to use one. I’ve been using wireless Wi-Fi headsets for my PC for a long while now, I don’t even use a headphone jack on my PC. It’s just way more convenient having wireless headsets.
Not objectively. There are plenty of problems with Bluetooth headphones. If you don’t do anything “serious” with audio it’s not a problem.
But:
All of this can be solved with USBC audio but that’s not wireless of course.
I was more so focusing on the overall user experience, so including the ease of use and the convenience of not having to fight with a cable. I definitely agree that Bluetooth earbuds aren’t perfect. They have their issues. But I feel like for the general user, they objectively offer an improved experience. 90 or 95% of people can’t hear the difference between wired and wireless earbuds. If you don’t care about audio quality then I feel like it has objectively more upsides than it has downsides. As people mentioned about cars and the like, there are instances where having a headphone jack is necessary, but I feel like the number of cases where this issue is unavoidable and is a real problem for people is so minuscule that it’s not worth it for the companies to bother.
I mean, in the end, I personally don’t care if a phone has a headphone jack. It’s not like I wouldn’t buy it because it has one. I was more so triggered by the people constantly screaming at every phone for not having a headphone jack, when in reality it’s not important for most people.
I cannot tell the difference
I cannot tell, even when gaming
Only had an issue once in a busy airport, otherwise not an issue for me.
I’m not saying my case is universal and there’s no reason anyone would ever want a 3.5mm jack, but there’s plenty of people like me who would really never use it.
Yeah like I said in my original comment, if you don’t do anything serious with audio then it doesn’t matter. However if you do, then it matters and BT just simply isn’t good enough.
Apple themselves even admit this. If you open up Logic on iPad (a digital audio workstation made by apple) it warns you that using Bluetooth is going to suck.
Edit: Also worth pointing out my original comment isn’t about analog headphones jacks Vs Bluetooth it’s about wired vs Bluetooth. USB C is fine in terms of the complaints I’m making about BT.
My main question is why you think you’ll need low latency for audio production on a phone.
This is a confusing question.
You need low latency to produce music on any device.
My comment was about producing it on a phone, if you’re trying to produce music why are you using a phone? Why is it a concern?
You don’t really know the meaning of objective do you?
Look at the thread for “objective” reasons people want the jack.