Top Trump officials said their strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites were limited, but they don’t have much control over the knock-on effects in the Middle East and their party.
Donald Trump’s top national security officials spent much of Sunday insisting his administration doesn’t want to bring about the end of Iran’s government, only its nuclear program. Then Trump left the door open for exactly that.
“It’s not politically correct to use the term, ‘Regime Change,’ but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform.
While Trump did not call for the ouster of the regime, or say that the U.S. would play any role in overthrowing the Iranian government, his words undercut what had appeared to be a coordinated message from his top advisers. JD Vance, Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth each insisted Sunday that the U.S. was only interested in dismantling Iran’s nuclear capabilities.
US needs a regime change
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Hopefully someone somewhere will soon decide America needs saving, in the same way America “saves” other countries
“Muddying” bro, just say shit.
My family that are big trump supporters were saying for a while now that there are plans for an Iranian regime change. That is something they are working towards. Like day off the bombing I was being asked if I had heard anything about this regime change. I hadn’t, go fucking figure.
Not sure why the left fails to stay current on things. But this article is crazy how it’s being presented as “omg he says no regime change but then says MIGA”
Republicans and Trump supporters have known about these intentions for weeks. Their information is not like the information we’re getting and it’s weird as fuck to jump between the two worlds. The left is so far behind the times.
It’s not like this is a one time thing. I keep getting asked things by trump supporters that I’ve never seen or heard about. Weeks later I start to see the left wing social spaces pick up on it like it’s news.
I think your misunderstanding the article. They’re not saying that Trump hasn’t called for everything and anything under the sun. They’re saying that after the bombing, trumps team was stating the attack was on their nuclear capabilities, then Trump throws out regime change.
The issue with this is that generally when you bomb someone, you are sending a message. If Trumps admin says one thing, then Trump declares another, it’s hard to know what the US actually wants and was trying to achieve with the bombings.
Its a similar issue with the tarrifs. Countries have met with the Trump admin to discuss tariffs, but the admin is struggling to define what they want, as Trump doesn’t have a plan/policy. This is causing frustrations with allies because we’re beating them up economically, but won’t tell them why or what it would take for us to stop.
Overall the issue is that Tumpisim may work on social media for constituents, but political messaging between countries generally requires more clear consistent messaging/communication.
It’s because they are all being brainwashed by conservative media. Seeds get planted early so that when the time comes, they can think to themselves ‘this has been a long time coming.’ Traveling all around the country and interacting with conservatives is wild. People three thousand miles apart will go through the exact same talking points like its lockstep for them. I think people really underestimate how much conservative media drills itself into the thought-space of people who consume it.
Ok, I agree. But isn’t us saying “they’re all brainwashed idiots” also a part of the shared talking point and us being in lock step?
Like where is that line drawn between theirs is crazy manipulation and ours is greater and good.
This is kind of my point and why I don’t like a lot of the way we approach things on the left. Saying “they’re all brainwashed”, “they’re racist”, “they’re X, Y or Z” act like these conversation stoppers. Like reading between the lines, it basically is us saying well it is what it is no need to look further into this, they’re just evil for these reasons and that’s that.
For me, I don’t think they’re evil or racist or anything they often get accused of. I find they’re actually more informed and their reasoning does have some logic to it. I keep getting frustrated on things because it seems to me like the left is losing because they really are less informed and reality based. Lately it seems more about a focus on how morally aligned something is rather than really figuring out why something is happening. Like saying how ICE covers their face because they don’t want to be doxxed. Ok but why don’t they want to be doxxed. Maybe there is something more there. I’ve heard it suggests these could not be actual ICE but some type of private contractor situation. Kind of a big deal to identify these officers if they are hell bent on not being identified. But instead as a whole it’s like we can’t investigate that because they wear masks because they’re racist. Simple answer. Put that to bed.
This gets repeated over and over again. Go on any post here on Lemmy in politics and see a hundred comments saying the same lock step unoriginal uninformative “they’re racist” “they’re bad”. Go on a right wing post on Reddit and top comments are people linking to other articles giving context and latest updates. I’m just getting tired of hearing the people who seem to be more informed and on top of things get called stupid when I’m starting to think it’s the other way around and it’s just a frustrating situation to constantly see.
I find they’re actually more informed and their reasoning does have some logic to it. I keep getting frustrated on things because it seems to me like the left is losing because they really are less informed and reality based.
You need to take a step back and consider your sources, because you’re starting to sound like you’re falling for the propaganda yourself.
“Reality-based” has a meaning and it walks a close line near “evidence-based”. Evidence-based scientific studies have repeatedly confirmed that right-wing media consumers are less informed about reality than those that consume no media.
Sure, right-wing media consumers might have a better idea in the current moment what Trump might do next because in some cases it’s difficult to tell if Fox is working for Trump or Trump is working for Fox. But that has nothing to do with Trump or his policies being reality-based. It has to do with consistency within their talking points and propaganda.
Reality is still reality, and the reality is that Trump attacked a sovereign nation without authorization from Congress. The reality is that we’ve been in a constitutional crisis for months now, and that the Republicans in Congress are abdicating their duty of oversight on the executive branch. I guarantee they aren’t covering that on Fox News.
When the tariffs first started up a few months ago, I heard multiple conservatives who had never met each claim that ‘yeah these tariffs hurt, but it’s about respect, and the world needs to learn to respect us again.’ So no, I do not think they are more informed than me, just that they learn talking points through rote memorization and repetition (the only thing taught by our US education system these days).
Does it get oversimplified, sure. But most of that is because I don’t feel like writing an entire essay explaining the nuance of how these people think that they are actually saving our economy by removing all of these ‘freeloaders and jobstealers’ while in reality they are being fucking racists.
Those top comments linking to posts are the talking points being disseminated. That’s the response you’ll get whenever you try to push against their narrative. If you look into most of them, they are just grievance politics and often rely on partial information to force the wrong conclusion. If you ever manage to get past these talking points with real people, that’s when the conversation ends.
These people cannot be changed. I am tired of engaging with them or about them as n the premise that ‘we just need to figure out where they are coming from.’ They may not realize they are bigots, but that sure as fuck is what motivates them.
That’s a good point. None of them seemed to understand tariffs, but honestly, neither did I. I’m still just a casual observer. What I want to know is where’s the data? We’re months into tariffs, and I’ve yet to see any real analysis, just feel-good stories about Canadians boycotting the U.S. or U.S. towns begging for forgiveness. But what are the actual numbers?
This lack of follow-up, of concrete outcomes, leaves me pessimistic. So many leftist apparently, are any of them in economics? Are they not posting online? If they are, are we not sharing that?
We should be acting like relays in an information network. That’s what the right did so well in 2016. I watched them build networks like a slime mold. Fake accounts collecting random users and then connecting those into bigger ones like Charlie Kirk, Bannon, or Bongino.
On the left we did the opposite. Voices who weren’t even that political, scientists, educators, got torn down by our own side. I saw it: people mocking Neil deGrasse Tyson, attacking Bill Nye, even Bill Gates. Anyone targeted by Libs of TikTok should’ve had a wall of support drowning that crap out. Instead, we told each other “don’t wrestle with pigs.
Just look at our methods to engage. Don’t tell me there’s the biggest turn out for a protest and then turn around and tell me those mother fuckers will show up in the heat under threat of arrest and still cannot be bothered to create or share content to shut Charlie Kirk up. I’m nothing but pissed off at every protester because it shows how willing people are to just show up and go home for what? What did that protest do?
Libsotiktok a single Twitter account targeted educators across the country and harassed teachers for having rainbows in their class. Fuck those protesters for drawing all this energy up into a single moment that does fucking nothing. Fuck every single one of those protestors for showing up and failing to build a single network that can match that libs of tiktok bullshit. It’s like when Democrats made their little signs and held them up. I have the same frustration towards that as I do towards these “protests” lately.
That mindset, that it’s beneath us to engage, is the problem. Disengagement isn’t noble. It’s surrender. We gave up the space. And they took it.
I wonder where they are getting it. Even scrolling through truth social I haven’t seen anything. They are so on message all the time it’s crazy
I don’t even know. Like my dad isn’t tech savvy. But yet he still has a lot of these pipelines. I think it’s just Fox News and some random news sources. For at least a year though, every time I see him he’s asking he something I’m not even aware of and within a week or two I start to see it spread in my feeds.
Super interesting. I wonder if you could ask him where he is leaning this stuff because you wanna learn or something.
The new Four Racist Cunts album is terrible.
Why stop with Iran? Maybe regime change any country that doesn’t agree to tariffs? /s
