Its not a good thing but I dont think it will really gaslight the public. The average persons understanding of if their countries economy is doing well or not boils down to “do i feel richer or poorer than last election?”
Despite what some might think of bidenomics, which showed by most traditional metrics that the US economy was improving and recovering well from the pandemic, people still felt the economy was doing poorly because they felt poor… Because a lot of people now are poorer than previous generations. Which of course those tradtitional metrics dont really take into account that people get paid fuck all now, but my point is just that the official numbers dont mean a lot to the average voter.
We’ve gone full circle from “Eggs are too high” to “Eggs are fine just shut up about it”.
Man I can’t wait for Trump to tell me that our wages being the same as they are since 2020 is actually a good thing when rent and groceries are going up, so we have even less purchasing power.
The Us already does this. This is only news if you think Biden was any different.
Is this a joke?
They are definitely different. Skewing perspective is always the thing they do but you know one of them is fucking insane about it. Dunno if you notice
No, this time he’s right. They both manipulate economic data shamelessly. There’s no greater evil if you ignore everything except lying about economic data for political reasons.
I remember being told the economy was great and that complaining about the cost of rent and groceries going up, while the paychecks stayed the same with buying power going down, was because jealous of anyone else because the stocks were going up.
“With Sleepy Joe Biden, nobody had cardboard, it was so hard to get, terrible economy, everybody said so, even the Democrats. Now you look around this great nation of ours, under my plan, everybody has cardboard. Everybody. Look at any sidewalk, every person has a big piece of cardboard they can write on. Everybody is willing to work, it says so on the cardboard that everybody can get now.”
Cannot wait for the bothsiderists to claim how donvict doing things to actively crash the economy and then gaslight about it is equivalent to how terrible it was for Biden/Kamala to speak about an economy that was “the envy of the world”.
/> Trump does something outrageously fascist
/> “Man… leftist bug me”
Thanks for letting us know which side you’re on, and for spending your time critiquing the real issues.
Democrats can’t keep pretending theyre immune to criticism because they’re not fascists. Especially when they’re bending the knee to Fascists. You do have to keep the moral high ground to use the moral high ground.
Every time Trump does something stupid, a liberal will barge in and go “See? Aren’t I so much smarter than the leftists?” without being prompted, making up strawmen to be angry at. And if you get mad at them inventing people to be mad at, they claim you’re the strawman they made up.
For what it’s worth, you can’t tell people their paychecks are getting bigger when they aren’t. Biden presided over a “great economy” but wages stagnated and buying power decreased. Trump is going to Strangelove-ride this economy into a pit so deep it’ll be hard to convince people that everything is roses.
Yet this is all so politically driven.
For example, there were many minimum wage hikes during Biden’s term, lifting the lowest wages. At the state level. In blue states. Politicians in the states that needed this most blocked both federal increases and those for their own states. How are those politicians not the ones getting the blame?
As another example, legislation signed by Biden resulted in many additional business benefits in factories and trades. This would have created many new jobs, especially in some of the most low wage parts of the country. But not until the factories are built. And political changes where the government won’t follow through with its commitments means many of these will no longer be built. Why isn’t the administration stopping these new jobs getting the blame?
TBF Trump did exactly this in his first term when he changed the withholding to make people think their taxes went down, when in reality they ended up paying the same or more when they filed.
Very true, but that only works on a small scale for a specific thing. This economy is about to crush almost all of us. There will be no denying it.
There will be no denying it.
LOL… Challenge accepted (says the Trump supporters).
It’ll work for a while on some people, but yeah, eventually it’ll come crashing all down, especially if companies start using the fake figures into their future planning.
I’m pretty sure this is also why they want to annex Canada, Greenland, and Panama (maybe Mexico if they think they can get away with it). It’s the exact same strategy the Nazis used, and I’m not invoking that lightly: when their economy was absolute dogshit, the Nazis made it look WAY better by A) going to a war footing and B) invading other countries and stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down (then stealing everything else, including the nails.)
Trump doesnt need to manipulate much. I live in deep red country. They are upset that fox has “completely changed” and they want to go to newsmax instead.
They are soooo fucking close to getting it. But the propaganda seed has already been planted.
That actually sounds like they’re not getting it at all.
That is not the insight you think it is. Newsmax is the successor to Fox. What you’re saying is they want to bury their heads even deeper into the fascist propaganda machine.
I know what newsmax is.
I also known that this is just enough cognitive dissonance to maybe turn someone…
Its a matter of “if they can turn on a dime, you can too”.
I get that they are doubling down. I also get that this is the first disconnect they have had with mainstream media in eight years. And maybe that is my in.
I understand that it is a small shift, but honestly, its the first shift ive seen in many of them in almost a decade. Ill take it.
Dude just wiped billions of the economy, and he still thinks he’s going to be alive next year. Honestly, Russia got what they needed out of him. Just just a liability for them at this point
Trillions. There’s an article that hit my feed that shows that the NYSE and DJ indexes have lost 5 trillion dollars in value in the last 3 weeks.
I’m awful with the economy, dont understand it. Can you ELI5 how Trump has done that?
People are still gonna notice that they can’t afford groceries.
Are they though? “Idiot Biden, sleepy Joe as they say, left us a terrible economy, terrible, this is the worst economy we’ve ever seen. Poor America. But I have very bright minds, the smartest minds, hard at work on it. To fix the economy, we’re gonna make it all better.”
The problem with the Biden economy was that the conventional economic measures were good, but groceries still went up. Effectively, this already didn’t work for Biden, even though Biden technically wasn’t lying.
It became evident how out of touch biden and then later harris were.
EDIT: extraneous “how”
trumpers can blame biden all they want. You can’t deny an empty belly, and if the president is saying everything is great while the evidence to the contrary is literally visceral, that’s not gonna work for long. Just look at how well doing that exact thing worked out for biden and harris.
I suspect that trump will try it anyway and once it fails, he’ll pick the next entry on the “then they came for” list and start blaming them.
But want the economy doing good under Biden? Sure you had inflation but at a much lower scale then most of the world. I don’t get why you think it was bad? Or am I missing something.
“You’re not suffering! There are other places that have it worse!” is messaging bereft of empathy.
Better messaging would be to admit the economy sucks, making no excuses but without unnecessarily accepting blame, and put forth a vision forward. Denying the obvious is just an admission of not being up to the task.
The economy was doing well, but as we see in these comments that it’s tough to communicate things like
- inflation is back near normal: all the increases since Covid suck, but prices shouldn’t increase that fast anymore
- businesses and stock market doing well, even though we’re not republicans
- working hard to contain avian flu, even if it means eggs will be expensive for a few years
- huge investments in bringing manufacturing back to the US. Factories being built. So many new jobs … in a few years
- huge investments to bring back new technology leadership we threw away. Factories and labs being built. So many new jobs … in a few years
- finally making good progress limiting carbon emissions. Avoid the worst parts of climate change
- huge investments in rebuilding ancient falling apart infrastructure, we can’t keep putting it off … even if it likely wouldn’t actually fail in our term
- great international cooperation toward peace and security
- saving literally millions of lives of the poorest humans, saving untold misery, devastation from disease, starvation, abject poverty
- improving health care coverage for millions of Americans
- first steps toward getting excessive educational inflation under control.
- first steps toward rebuilding a network of intercity rail connecting us all
- and many more
Yet this is already a wall of text many would ignore
I am so refreshed being here. I hate Trump. But bidens magical economy was not reality, myself and many of my circle all in very high demand sectors spent longer unemployed than any other time in history. People were hungry and unable to pay bills. Who was benefitting from his economy? Only the ultra wealthy. I just don’t see it. And I feel gaslit when people say bidens economy was so good. Trumps is worse of course but we haven’t even reached a minimum.
Record unemployment though! *huge percent of which were part-time jobs that did not pay a living wage
I’m pretty sure you were not necessarily quoting him directly, but I would point out that he and his apparatchiks have literally said such things, including how Biden’s economy, which was by objective measurements (yeah, I know they are imperfect) the "envy of the world, was AXETUALLY the “worst” economy ever.
Which is just such ridiculous nonsense. Meanwhile, donvict takes actions that have consequences, one of which is crashing the economy and they expect us to sit there and believe such nonsense? I know a lot of idiots won’t even bother to look it up, even if it’s just a graph of the S&P, but holy shit, that is some next-level, Orwellian-type brazen lying.
Is this going to be different from the gaslighting that we’ve been receiving for the last four years that things are good? So far, one of the few things good to come out of the Trump administration is liberals finally admitting that the economy sucks, But they tend to think it started just a month ago.
But want the economy good? I mean I think Americans have faired better then most other countries. When shit is happening globally sure your going to be effected but compare to others.
Yes, the economy has been good by the most common statistics, and by direct experience of many of us.
However our increasing divisiveness also means too much of the population sees the opposite, or too many people are manipulated by outrage and emotion rather than fact. It’s hard not to call this politics, but it sure seems directly related to politics of each state.
I think the real issue is that quality of life in the US has been being chipped away at for decades. So while yes the economy was doing well, especially compared to most of the world, regular people don’t see it.
The issue in the US isn’t the economys health, but how it’s distributed.
