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- BuyFromEU@europe.pub
cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/7501
What European email services do you use?
Please recommend other interesting email services by your experience.
I have switched from Google’s Gmail to ProtonMail and kMail. I really like both, kMail (by Infomaniak) have very similar app interface to Gmail so you will get used to it very fast and also have big storage for free and very good offers for paid plans 👍🏼
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Fuck Proton and their Trumps-ass-kissing CEO though.
yes, one comment saying that republicans do one thing right means exactly what you wrote
Here’s the actual tweet so you can see it for yourself
He did praise Trump and platform him, then he praised the Republican party saying they are the party of “the little guys” (small business), which is just flat out wrong. He does not acknowledge that there are an abundance of things Trump is doing that is fucking awful and disgusting. At best it’s an extremely tone-deaf tweet.
What that comment does is paint Trump and the Republican party in a very good light and ignores other things they do that are terrible, illegal, and much more important than a single cherry-picked action. That’s effectively an endorsement (i.e. ass-kissing) without saying it in exact words.
Also, it’s so very obvious that anyone associated with Trump absolutely needs to abide by Trump’s every whim or else he will replace you. So, the point he was trying to make is entirely moot in the first place.
There is just no way to praise Trump or the Republican party without showing your ignorance or alignment with them. Just like you can’t just have a little bit of shit in your food. Once you’ve got even a little bit of shit in your food, then you’ve got shit-food. Or, in this case, a Trump-shit stained CEO’s mouth.
It’s even worse than I thought tbh. Half a year ago I considered a move to Proton, now I’m glad I didn’t.
I did move to proton after hearing all this stuff, seems overblown and out of context. Tone deaf of the CEO to make such a tweet, sure, but he has been a long time supporter of liberals and not a fan of Trump.
For real. Even Bernie Sanders has praised Trump on a single issue before. Are we going to turn against him too?
Donald Trump Gets Unexpected Praise from Bernie Sanders: ‘Good Idea’
False equivalence. Bernie has more than enough history of outlining his views on Trump. Yen doesn’t have that kind of history, so the tweet reads as an endorsement overall. The fact he’s stating that ‘Republicans are the party for small businesses’ in itself shows how absolutely ignorant he is and willing to drink their bullshit.
That’s enough for me to see how he stands. He may not be fully supportive of Trump and the Republicans, but he’s shown himself to be beyond the threshold that I am willing to tolerate.
Andy Yen might not have the same publicity as Bernie Sanders, but the history is there. This article covers actions and statements from Andy and Proton going back about ten years from what I can see in the timestamps. Some of the highlights include Andy personally:
- announcing programs to support girls into tech that may be considered DEI by GOP standards
- announcing fundraising for Ukraine after the Russian invasion
- criticizing the termination of Credit Suisse’s first and only black CEO, Tidjane Thiam, as racism
- praising Biden’s choice for FTC chair, Lina Khan, after she initiated lawsuits against big tech
- collaborating with Lina Khan in an antitrust report submitted by a Democratic party majority in the Subcommittee on Antitrust
- and outlining new privacy concerns resulting from Trump taking control of the NSA on the official Proton blog.
Yet, despite Andy’s history of actions that run contrary to Trump and the GOP platform, I’d charge that the greater false equivalency is equating Andy as Proton. While Bernie can clearly speak for himself, Andy is not alone in controlling Proton. Proton is a non-profit foundation governed by a board of directors and is headquartered in a country with laws against complying with US subpoenas. As as greater entity, Proton has donated to left-leaning organizations such as Fight for the Future in the US, Access Now, and Women Who Code. Reviewing Proton donations, I don’t see any right-leaning contributions. Most of it is toward privacy and freedom-of-press focused organizations that align with my views. You may have made up your mind on Andy, but I refuse to throw out the entire positive history of Proton in response to this one tweet.
“Needs client app” is a funny way of saying it “supports open protocols as first class citizens”.
Oh nice hadn’t heard of KMail and I’m trying to degoogle. Proton’s fine but the owner is another tool so options are nice
Oh it’s KDE even better
KMail is not a service by KDE, you probably confused it with KMail, the mail client by KDE. It’s a service by Infomaniak.
It was also pretty hard to find information about it, searching for “ikmail” will get you there easier. I also found out it’s technically not available in Canada yet, although I’m sure this shouldn’t be too hard to circumvent.
You don’t need a client app for mailbox.org? I use it just fine on any standard mail client.
That’s what they mean, it doesn’t have its own client.
If what you want is encrypted email, and see it in the form of a chat, take a look at ArcaneChat
Not an email provider by the looks?
It is an email provider but for encrypted email and optimized for speed and security, to use for chatting, the app looks like WhatsApp etc but every message is just an encrypted email
So can I send email messages to people that don’t use the app?
It is for encrypted email only, its possible if the other people use some client that supports encryption, if you question is “can the email provider be used to send and receive unsecure unencrypted email that the server would have access to and read all my conversations?” the answer is no, the app can be used with such unsecure providers but arcanechat.me server is focused on security and no unencrypted email/data is ever stored on the server
Cool, I just installed it and gave it a try. Had to toggle off “force encryption” to be able to send emails because my providers aren’t configured to send encrypted mail (yet).
It’s pretty cool actually. Thanks for the rec
nice! if you want to join a small ArcaneChat community group: https://i.delta.chat/#6CBFF8FFD505C0FDEA20A66674F2916EA8FBEE99=&a=invitebot%40nine.testrun.org&g=ArcaneChat+Community&x=3KvvQZfzU4t-9u5s0PF3USGp&i=AQKH9_8x0R0&s=dbGW9xOhRQX
preferably join with an anonymous arcanechat.me profile, not with your main account ;)
- only web app
- needs client app
What’s up with that misleading information as if there’s something missing? This just means you can use any mail application you want with the standard mail protocols IMAP and POP3. If a mail provider is offering an app themselves that’s fine but that’s nothing a mail provider HAS to offer. What’s much more important is how they handle you data, how good they filter out spam, how big you mailbox can be, cost, sustainability etc. But the app is the least important thing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Tutanota uses a proprietary protocol to communicate with email clients, so an app is needed. Perhaps “needs client app” means that.
Proton is fairly far in delivering a polished unified experience in commonly used internet services, including mail + calendar, password manager, file/photo storage and vpn services.
Yes but the CEO publicly endorses Trump. I prefer Gmail over that mess.
Tuta has been GREAT, so far. Hard recommend.
I just switched over to it from proton. Do not have the issue that their spam filter is abysmally bad? There is so much spam coming though and even mails that I already reported as spam come through. Also the app is kinda slow and clumsy.
