“Right-wing groups have been responsible for over ten times more terror attacks than left-wing groups since 2002, according to a study conducted by the ADL. The Justice Department recently found similar numbers in its own study. It recently scrubbed that study from its website.”
Lol.
This sounds just as ridiculous as “Accountants can’t make $2 + $2 = $1 trillion like MAGA wants.”
Well they canceled Jimmy Kimmel for pointing out this very thing, then put on their other face and said they’re going after “hate speech”…. Right after the president tried ramping up the hate and saying it was the lefts fault. So I guess if they’re taking “hate speech” so seriously they need to take a good loooong look at themselves in the mirror
Finally a headline that tells the truth.
It’s clearly a cover up by the left to protect the left!!!
I thought they just skipped that step and hoped nobody noticed?
I love how any time someone clearly has ties to the right-wing they’re a “troubled individual.”
I haven’t encountered many right-wingers who weren’t “troubled individuals”.
Or at least individuals with very troubling opinions and beliefs.
You mean they can’t publicly make shit up to fit the narrative
What we saw in the Epstein debacle was their best….
Yes they can, and they will find a way lol
Its called making shit up.
They already do. He was living with a trans person so clearly was infected by violent trans terrorism. Whatever that means.
Dear MAGAts, you killed Charlie Kirk.
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I know plenty people who want healthcare and social safetynets, but who hate brown people, and vote for far right lunatics. Having a single left-ish opinion, doesn’t mean all their beliefs fit that. We have no idea wether this person even tolerates other trans-people, or if it was just an exception for someone they love, and felt Charlie was a direct threat to that person.
What I’m saying is, right now we have no idea why this person really did it, what his motives actually were, and what his political allignment really is.
if you discuss how people want to make society better, a large amount of these maga cultists will agree to many progressive, left-wing, reforms being the best way forward. However they will have a single issue that they are willing to throw that all away for. Immigration, racism, misogyny, gun ownership deregulation, etc.
However they will have a single issue that they are willing to throw that all away for.
Abortion being nationally illegal, which is primarily a subset of misogyny.
Being pro trans is neither left nor right.
At a stretch we can label trans as being libertarian, because it’s no-one else’s fucking business.
There’s been studies that right wingers are the biggest consumers of trans porn.
The article mentions they can’t tie him to any left-wing groups so Trump can crack down on them.
So the right is stuck without any group to go after since he acted independently.
What do you mean without any groups to go after? Obviously they’re gonna take down the terrorist cells that caused this by the name of Discord and Steam.
He was raised, in a deep red area in a deep red state, in a right-wing, MAGA environment his whole life. That’s all he knew from the time he was born. He came from a pro gun / hunter family, deeply entrenched in that culture from what he said in his texts and how he felt responsible for his grandfather’s bolt action rifle.
He was stewed in it, forged by it his whole life and those are the values and morality that formed him.
If it maybe had a moment of experimentation or a particular openness at some point in his young twenties doesn’t change the facts of his upbringing and what truly formed him to take the actions he did.
Charlie could have been run over by a monster truck with TRUMP painted on the side with a fuck your feelings flag and the driver could have worn a maga hat and cut off sleeves shirt and the right would still try to connect it to LGBTQ+.
Literally the first thing they said before anyone even figured out where the shot came from.
An tee fuh
Charlie Kirk is STILL ALIVE! These are Just Crisis ACTORS! DONT let these CriSIs Actors STEAL your freedoms!
Alex Jones can swallow a bunch of draino.
Have you seen what he looks like? Jones chugs that shit like I chug gamersupps.
Grok, is that you?
They hadn’t programmed grok to lie. It told the truth.
Yeah the assassination was just a psyops.
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The officials also voiced that it would be difficult to bring federal charges against Robinson, as Robinson allegedly committed the crime in Utah and is a resident of the Beehive State. Furthermore, Kirk was an influencer activist, and not an elected official.
Furthermore, Kirk was an influencer activist, and not an elected official.
Exactly. Not an assassination. I hate that people keep calling it that.
I’ve never heard being elected official as a criteria for the term, the dictionary definition of assassination is
“the premeditated act of killing someone suddenly or secretively, especially a prominent person.”
And there have been plenty of non-electoral assassinations, including those by (or of) mob figures, journalists, and many others.
Doesn’t the act of assassination require that the killer be an assassin? ie someone paid to kill people.
The killer in an assassination is by definition an assassin. An assassin is not always some paid mercenary killer (this is rarely the case).
John Wilkes Booth is an easy example. He was an actor.
As an actor John Wilkes Booth killed it in his last role.
It’s only an assassin when they are from the Hashshashin, otherwise it’s just sparkling murder.
When a Nazi gets killed it’s called ‘a good job’
Well, until they’re out of power you should ideally call it nothing at all and deny it ever happened. I walked past the USC campus this morning and saw kirk alive and well. I don’t know what all this hubub is about.
Fascinating. Flip the script for the utter disregard of the truth.
If you see someone stealing bread–no you didn’t.
If you see a dead Nazi–no you didn’t and in fact you met him in public later that evening.
No no you have to say I’m just saying …
It’s still an assassination. The definition is broad enough to include the killing of any public figure by surprise attack.
Looked like an assisted suicide to me.
Nah, he tripped and fell into a fast moving object. Absolute tragic happenstance. Could’ve happened to any asshole really.
Yeah, I hear people refer to John Lennon’s killing as an assassination. He wasn’t a politician, just a public figure.
He was more popular than Jesus, so that checks out. I highly doubt Kirk even had a security crew of note. Doesn’t have one now, though! 😂 😂 😂
It was a pyrotechnics accident, is all.
Not going to. This was all predicted by people smarter than I, during the first Trump admin.
MAGAt gets primed for violence for years. MAGAt figures out he’s been lied to all along. MAGAt uses that penchant for violence on the scum that has been lying to him. The only difference is that people assumed politicians would be the target.
1.) His steam acct name was apparently DonaldTrump, no progressive or liberal is going to want to be associated with that, even ironically.
2.) If you didn’t vote in '22 o4 '24 & you were legally able, you’re not a progressive or liberal, full stop.
I find it very hard to believe that that username would be available on Steam even in 2018 or whenever he made the account, unless you just mean the username that you can change to anything and not the actual login username associated with an account and profile
if you didn’t vote in
Not a liberal. Some kinds of progressive don’t see electoralism as worth their time. Especially if they live in deep reb/blue districts.
Some kinds of progressive don’t see electoralism as worth their time.
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You gotta do that last year, or a little while later, after people have forgotten. Trying to say it doesn’t matter who wins elections right now is… not going to be convincing.
It’s actually exactly like what happened with vaccines. We had so many years living in a society which didn’t have active urgent throw-you-in-the-camps-for-no-reason tyranny that people stopped believing it was really real, and they’re still out confidently saying it’s not worth taking basic easy steps to prevent.
It wouldn’t prevent it, only delay it.
The empire is in decline, and when that happens the empire always turns inward. That’s fascism. In order to prevent fascism by voting you’d have to win every single election for the rest of our lives. The fascists only had to win once. It was inevitable.
Revolution was always the only hope for truly preventing fascism, rather than just delaying it.
While I agree that Harris would have probably just delayed the entire thing, I disagree that this is a bad thing. Any time not spent under fascist rule is good time. Considering the massive amounts of damage Trump has wrought outside the US, he was definitely the worse option.
If fascism is inevitable, isn’t it better for the fascist strongman to be fat, old, and stupid?
He’s worse than a Democrat. Harris wouldn’t be blowing up Venezuelan fishermen, after all. But, it could be worse still if we had managed to avoid Trump and then we got a healthy, young, cunning fascist in four years. Trump is actually the lesser evil compared to the fascists that were possible in the next decade.
This fat, old and stupid strongman inspires more loyalty and has a stronger cult of personality than his replacement.
And imma be honest. I think every year not spent under fascists is a good year.
But who knows, maybe this is for the best lol. At least this scared Canada and Australia into not going fascist.
I personally am of the opinion that voting isn’t very important. I think it distracts from real action. I think the way fascists took the state without winning elections like in 2000 and the whole judicial thing makes it pretty obviously pointless. The fact there’s nobody to vote for and the ‘against’ will often surrender or turn even after sorting through the bullshit empty words they all spout makes it incredibly demoralizing.
I can understand why someone who relies on high morale to keep functioning and puts a high value on truth wouldn’t consider it worth the chronological and emotional costs.
As someone who occasionally engages in real politics and building actual relationships or mechanisms of coordination that could at least fractionally support me rather than ending my engagement when I choose which abusive parent is going to beat me for the next couple years and pretending one of them loves me–i often come in contact with those people. You shouldn’t be so quick to write them off! They could teach you a lot, and you could do a lot to support each other.
If voting didn’t matter, conservatives wouldn’t be fighting tooth and nail to take it from you. Don’t fall for the propaganda.
You shouldn’t be so quick to write them off! They could teach you a lot, and you could do a lot to support each other.
They’re not mutually exclusive. Real world non-electoral politics is going to be necessary to get us out of this mess (especially now), and it also leads to a good and fulfilling life. There’s something magic and human that happens with the people around you when you are fighting for something that’s actually worth fighting for, I’ve seen it.
There’s absolutely no reason in the world why it needs to be one or the other. Absolutely none. Unless you just like having a much harder challenge to overcome in your day to day activism, wondering if those people who you come into contact with are going to get “deported” or just never seen again.
I can understand why someone who relies on high morale to keep functioning and puts a high value on truth wouldn’t consider it worth the chronological and emotional costs.
Meanwhile, a bunch of people stuffed into an ICE facility in Louisiana without lawyers, medical care, edible food, all kinds of stuff, don’t give even the tiniest flying fuck whether it was worth the “emotional costs” for you to keep them out of that situation.
It’s interesting you bring up the 2000 election, too. That’s one of the inflection points where the whole fuckin’ world could have been different based on the results of the election.
Fuck i wrote a long post but the site ate it. Apologies for the curtness and lack of nuance in this version.
You need to learn to read to understand rather than confirm if you want to grow. This flat out rewriting of history to soothe your own feelings to scapegoat people you claim are almost on your side for your defeats at the hands of ruthless enemies at the cost of potential allies is not productive. Wishing people who are already engaged–people who I have seen with my own eyes take insane risks to build community and stand up unarmed to unaccountable men with automatic weapons–is absurd and not a good use if your time. If you need to take your feelings out on someone–not a healthy coping mechanism, but I get it–take them out on your actual enemy-unless we’re your real enemy.
And you need to learn to work with people who have different skills capacities and values than your own if you want a coalition with any possibility of winning. Whether your model and skill set are closer to zohran mamdani or Alexander berkman, you’re not going to be doing any good sowing division.
Allies are not best used as speed bumps–that is tankie shit. Do I need to remind you what happened to the USSR, Mr. Beria?
If you think me telling you my point of view and what’s an important tactic to employ, in blunt terms, is “sowing division,” I don’t know what sort of diverse communities you have worked in before. I have worked together to build something with people very unlike me. I can do okay at it, I had to learn a lot. Presumably, if you work with activists, you’re accustomed to it too: Having strong disagreements about things, talking with people who you don’t see eye to eye with. Right? Maybe not.
There is a crisis going on right now. I am trying to wake you up to one vital tool to use to try to set a better course in the future, minimize the crisis and bring it to a less dangerous place and recover a better future. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but people are dying right now. All you can see is me in terms of “enemy” because I don’t see things like you do, it sounds like, or be upset because I am talking bluntly about this upsetting situation. I would say, take your own advice: You need to learn to read to understand rather than confirm.
I hate how much emphasis is placed on voting relative to everything else–then they ratfuck our guys literally every single time.
You seemed to be going off on it pretty viciously. That is the problem. I think ‘you really should. It’s not much effort.’ Would go a much longer way.
I wasn’t even saying my position on the topic. I don’t do that since 2016. I was repeating something i had heard, that I specifically stated was not my position. You had an extremely vitriolic reaction. I was suggesting that helps noone but the enemy.
Because they can’t do the bare minimum?
Read what i wrote, please.
